NorthSideSox72

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 02:23 PM) I believe the Dem party is in a transistion phase from the old guard to the new. The San Fransisco hippies of 1968 are on their way out. This is their last shot. Hillary represents them. Obama represents the Gen X democrats and they will be THE force in the party after '08. It's just a matter if the hippies can hold the fort through this election or not. I think that's exactly right. This is old guard versus new guard. The transtion is occurring no matter what - the question is, will the new guard have enough power THIS year to get the candidate they want in there.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 02:20 PM) Is there any doubt that both candidates are pretty much going to offer Edwards anything that they can to get him into their fold? Heck, the Edwards campaign has actually said pretty much that, in public. They have both made overtures.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 02:17 PM) Really? I've been thinking more and more about that. But you can't say that in this department or you will be shunned. But I've definitely thought about trying to get into human factors or publishing. How about employee engagement?

QUOTE(Soxy @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 01:21 PM) Because I need a job and PhD's aren't exactly in high demand these days. Yeah, my wife has a PhD in the same field you do. She went to the dark side and works in the business sector with it now.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 02:09 PM) Just heard, fwiw, that the powers that be in the Edwards camp are saying the health of Elizabeth Edwards had no factor in the JE's decision to 'suspend' his campaign. There is good news in that fact. If that was a reason, that would probably indicate her health was going further downhill. Regardless of my lack of interest in seeing Edwards as the President, I can only imagine how much stress a Presidential campaign puts on a family, particularly with one who has cancer. This is probably better for her, even though I am sure she wouldn't say it.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 01:39 PM) I thought that was an across the board rule for the Dems, but maybe not. Keep in mind, that he just suspended his campaign, so he won't get above 15% in any state now. Yeah, I said that exact thing in a response to Athomeboy earlier. That's why I think he's likely to endorse someone pretty soon.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 01:19 PM) Don't you have to get at least 15% to get delegates? If that's the case, his delegate count is carved in stone. Yes I believe that is the case in some states. Not sure which ones. But also keep in mind, he was running in the teens in a lot of states - he would have gotten delegates a few here and there.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 01:15 PM) I bet he stays "suspended" until the convention. He'll still pick up votes in some states... ergo some delegates. I don't think so. By going out and announcing the suspension of the campaign, he guarantees he'll only get a very small number of delegates, which takes away any leverage or power he would have. No, I'd say he'll endorse pretty soon, either just before or just after Super Tuesday.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 12:07 PM) I figured it was implied and I didn't need to point it out. After the last year or two of work he's done, if Gore endorsed, I think that ends the discussion for either of these 2. It would be big, but I am not sure it is a campaign-ender for either one. Although, if one of them managed to get Edwards AND Gore, I think that would make that candidate very, very hard to beat.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 11:54 AM) FWIW: BTW, I can think of one thing Trippi's wrong about. In this race there's 1 endorsement that would be more coveted than Edwards. Al Gore, you say?

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 11:51 AM) Could you please tell me exactly what McCain stands for that is so untypically Republican? He's got a better environmental record than the rest of them. He's more clearly and definitely anti-torture. He's been willing to write bills with and work with members of the other party in the Senate. He's against a constitutional ban on gay marriage. He's more moderate on immigration. He made an attempt, albeit a failed one, to reform campaign finance. Those are some of the big ones.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 11:49 AM) Google Soxy images and you find this: Soxy, I think you have a new avatar.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 10:44 AM) That's exactly why I said in another thread the he'd win the general if he gets the GOP nomination. His independant streak. I think most of the citizens of the good ol' US of A sick and tired of this partisan BS. You've got your left wing loons and your right wing idiots. Those are the feathers on the tips of the wings, the farthest away from heart of the American eagle. *applause*

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 10:06 AM) The racial breakdowns are the one big thing that has to worry Obama. Its a worry, but, the racial divide wasn't an issue in Iowa or New Hampshire. I think the racial divide ends up helping Obama as much as it hurts him. It will get him votes in the south, but I think it will be less of an issue elsewhere.

Interesting quote from Joe Klein of Time Magazine... So, the voters could go either way, and probably will go both. But, if he endorses, it would be Obama. I guess Obama hopes that Edwards endorses sooner rather than later.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 09:36 AM) My resoning was Romney has a much better chance of getting the GOP nomination than Obama getting the Dem. So if he isn'ty going to make step one, it was tough to place him ahead of Romney. Looking at some match ups Clinton - McCain is a race edge Clinton Clinton - Romney is a Clinton winner Obama - McCain is a McCain win Obama - Romney is a race edge Obama Actually, according to the polls I've seen, Clinton and Obama both beat the pants off Romney in a general. McCain is the GOP candidate who has a shot.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 08:58 AM) The next President will be one of these four McCain Clinton Romney Obama And I put their chances in that order. Romney can't beat anyone in November, so I'd flip Romney and Obama there. I think the list would be...

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 08:36 AM) wow - called that one. i'd say he'll endorse someone. in my book, he wouldn't have dropped out unless a deal had been made with another candidate. I agree he'll likely endorse someone... the questions are who, and when.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 08:07 AM) http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8...;show_article=1 John Edwards drops out today. The plot thickens. Well, actually, I guess the plot thins. So, do we think he'll endorse someone? Or just drop out?

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 08:08 AM) They do. But its a very Democratic town, and there's a big difference between voting for Mayor and voting for President. As we have seen this year.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 12:31 AM) Because he's not really running. He doesn't have the support, and wouldn't even win New York City, to be honest. Assuming Hillary grabs the nomination, he loses women big. McCain is seen as independent enough to not give Bloomberg the "moderate" opening he needs, and conservatives are not gonna run out to vote for John McCain. Bloomberg is not friends with Hillary. A Bloomberg candidacy means a Clinton victory. Don't think he doesn't know that. That is a big surprise to me. i don't know his numbers, but I get the impression talking to folks that New Yorkers really like him.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 29, 2008 -> 09:20 PM) ahhh good call. yea, he's done.. and so is Obama. Obama needed edwards to draw votes from hillary. If Edwards drops out and endorses Clinton, Obama is done. If he drops out and doesn't endorse, then Obama's chances get worse, but not gone (since I think he'll get the balance of Edwards backers). But if Edwards endorses Obama and campaigns for him, then suddenly its a basically dead even race.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2008 -> 09:13 PM) I am really not looking forwards to 8 months of Hillary vs. McCain. I might become a Bloomberg fan pretty quick, if he runs. If not, I'll support McCain, though not without some hesitation.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2008 -> 09:11 PM) Edwards is overhauling his schedule to give a major speech of some sort in New Orleans tomorrow, supposedly focusing on poverty and trying to bring it back as an issue since it wasn't featured heavily in the SOTU speech. Just an odd move for the guy...canceling events and switching locations is the kind of thing you do when you're about to drop out. Also odd since Louisiana isn't a Super Tuesday state. Why not make that speech on the Alabama Gulf Coast, which was also hit by Katrina and is still recovering?

Something else to consider here. Clinton's backhanded attempts to make Florida worth something this past week (talk of seating their delegates, etc.) also screwed over John Edwards. And remember, the last debate, Clinton ripped Edwards pretty good. Don't be surprised if Edwards joins Obama in some nasty words for Hillary.