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I'm guessing Bruney goes to the 60 Day DL, Olmedo is DFA'd, that opens up two spots. I think it will be interesting to see which catcher they bring up. Gimenez is a journeyman and not a prospect, but Phegley hasn't had a great 2012 and needs some development.

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QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Aug 16, 2012 -> 08:56 PM) Short actually had his best year with WS in 2010, and his year last year is the latest we have to go off of except for the few game this season. He maxes out as a role player to me, which is a testament to the state of the system. Castro has a fine walk rate, but his BAA is horrible (.317, .333, .333 in 3 AAA stints in 3 years) bringing his WHIP up too high, and he can't back it up with the strikeout rate that originally got him noticed in his younger days, which leads me to believe he will have a hard time getting out of jams at the next level. If he doesn't get promoted this year, you're looking at 25+ yr old AA pitcher. He's lost prospect status in my eyes and will max out as a call up spot starter to temporarily fill a gap due to injury. I'm a Marin fan as well, and his numbers are extremely similar to Vance. Vance gets the nod from me because he's almost a full year younger and has history as a starter, which is far more valuable. Unfortunately for us if we're going to look for talent we have to do a lot of trolling through rookie league and A. Charlotte is nearly void of any real prospects and birmingham only has about 6 guys who I have much interest in. Also, I wouldn't read anything at all (good or bad) into Short's stats at W-S this year. The guy didn't see live pitching all season until recently, and he's a AAA-level player (at this point) rehabbing in High A. I was just happy to see him healthy enough to play this year, that was unexpected. 2013 he'll be in Charlotte, and we'll see where he stands, as the stats at that level and his age become more meaningful.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 17, 2012 -> 08:17 AM) I know very little about prospects, but I'm good at math, so here's a composite of everybody's rankings, with 10 points for first down to 1 point for tenth: 1 Hawkins 118 2 Thompson 110 3 Johnson 85 4 Walker 78 5 Barnum 61 6 Sanchez 49 7 Rienzo 42 8 Castro 28 9 Snodgress 28 10 Mitchell 26 11 Beck 18 12 Molina 5 13 Phegley 3 14 Saladino 3 15 Petricka 3 16 DeMichele 3 17 Leesman 1 Very nice, thanks. Looking at the list, I really think people are jumping from Mitchell to Walker too quickly. I like the year Walker has had, and Mitchell has struggled since coming out of the gate strong... but I have a hard time flipping those two all the way like that based on, really, just the past few months' performance. Walker may end up better than Mitchell, but I don't think he's more valuable as a prospect, yet. 2013, and even the last month of 2012, could change everything.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 16, 2012 -> 03:30 PM) Not attempting to b****, just noting...this would be Beckham's 2nd day in a row not in the starting lineup. Definitely interesting, especially since Ventura specifically said to the media that Bekcham's day off yesterday was pre-scheduled and not for any specific other reason. Maybe because Beckham had to play yesterday, they wanted to get him the full day off today? QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 16, 2012 -> 03:30 PM) I like Flowers getting the start today. The kid has been hot since he started getting some PT. His average is up 66 points since the middle of July. I agree, I like Flowers getting more time right now here and there. And Wise leading off, if De Aza needs a day, is fine. Especially since it seems like maybe Wise is seeing the ball pretty well.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 16, 2012 -> 01:07 PM) The sox went to thier "house of horrors". The Tigers played the Twins. 3 games played, 3 days off the schedule, no movement in the standings ... Advantage White Sox. Let's hope they can put another 1/2 game between themselves and Detroit tonight. And then this weekend, the Sox play KC with their 3 top pitchers going, and with PK14 back in the lineup... while DET plays a pretty hot Baltimore team. Very nice opportunity here for the Sox to put a little more distance between them and DET.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 16, 2012 -> 01:17 PM) It would make the inevitable series loss to KC easier to swallow. I think we have Sale, Peavy and Quintana going against KC, and get PK14 back. If I had to bet who would win that series, I'm taking the Sox.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 16, 2012 -> 12:42 PM) He went down like someone shot him in the foot. HBP? Or a play in the field? I just didn't even hear anything about it.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 16, 2012 -> 12:36 PM) Any news on Orlando Hudson? the way he acted last night, it looked like Jose Lopez had his ticket punched to join the white sox For those of us who didn't get to watch the game... how did he "act"?

Hard to say, we don't get much info on the DSL guys unless they are high-line prospects who got big signing money.

QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Aug 16, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) 1. Courtney Hawkins 2. Trayce Thompson 3. Erik Johnson 4. Andre Rienzo 5. Carlos Sanchez 6. Keenyn Walker 7. Keon Barnum 8. Scott Snodgress 9. Joey DeMichele 10. Jared Mitchell 11. Brandon Short 12. Kevin Vance 13. Nestor Molina 14. Tyler Saladino 15. Darwin Matos 16. Jose Bautista 17. Marcus Semien 18. Euclides Leyer 19. Chris Beck 20. Eric Grabe Welcome to the board! Brandon Short and Kevin Vance are pretty big surprises to me on your list. Same with Leyer and Grabe, though to lesser extents. Would you care to expound on your thinking on them? And what info do you have on Bautista?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) Recently, the Bears institued a Pay-As-We-Play process, where you give them your credit card #, but you aren't charged for the tickets until it's official that a home playoff game will happen. If the playoffs don't happen, then you aren't charged. (other than a small handling fee) Do the Sox offer an option like that or do you have to give them all the money now? Holy crap - they DID do this! Well, sort of. Last year, you had to pay the full amount by a certain date, or in parts by a certain date, if you wanted to keep your seats. And the dates were all well before end of season. I just got the email, and sure enough... you can either choose to pay the full balance, or you can have the Sox auto-debit the amounts for each level of the playoffs, as they clinch them. They send the full ticket sheets regardless. Nice!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 16, 2012 -> 10:23 AM) There's one more ingredient you're missing...age, which correlates directly to physical development. Dan Black's birthday is 07/2/1987, which makes him a 25 year old in high A ball, and would put him on track to reach the big leagues at 27-28 if he spends a full year in AA and AAA. He ought to be better than the A ball leagues, because he's 2-3 years older than where guys at that level should be. That doesn't mean he's guaranteed to fail, it just means you have to be skeptical about the numbers if your goal is to project somehow "what will this person do once they reach the major leagues". Exactly. Age is not the end of all things of course, and Dan Black may end up making it. Shoemaker is in a similar category, though with better hitting numbers, playing OF instead of 1B, and now playing at AA... so he's higher up the food chain. Dan Black is also a first baseman, and generally you are only going to get somewhere at that position if you are a seriously premium bat. He doesn't have that at this point. If he goes to AA next year and demolishes the ball, maybe gets to AAA in 2013 as well, then it might be time to start talking about him being a top propsect. Heck, look at a guy on his own team, Michael Earley... who is putting up better hitting numbers, almost a year younger, playing OF instead of 1B, and having fewer development years to do it... and even he is a marginal prospect. Also, oldsox, what would your top 10 be?

QUOTE (tonyho7476 @ Aug 16, 2012 -> 09:37 AM) No pictures? You stink at this job. Happy?

Funny how, just when this thread was resurrected, Dunn has gone on a mini-run.

I have to do this AGAIN? Really? I have a job, people. GO YOU WHITE SOX!!! Enjoy.

Anyone have any reports on Marcus Semien's defense at short? My Googling didn't turn up much, just wondering if anyone heard anything. Keegan Linza sporting a better than 10:1 K:BB ratio for GF. He's walked only 4 guys in 59.1 IP, for a 0.6 BB/9. But he does get hit a bit. You almost wonder if a guy like that should throw slightly LESS strikes, try to fool some guys.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Aug 15, 2012 -> 11:23 PM) 1. Thompson 2. Hawkins 3. Johnson 4. Walker 5. Rienzo 6. Barnum 7. Sanchez 8. Phegley 9. Petricka 10. DeMichele Bust -- Mitchell never going to hit well enough. DeMichele is an interesting one. Phegley... I actually had him in my top 10 when we were doing the summer FS list a couple months ago, but some people had him as low as in the 20's. He's been a little iffy in AAA as the year has gone on, so he dropped a few slots for me... still though, if you look at how little actual development time he has had, with all the injuries, he's done pretty well and moved fast, for a catcher. If he can stay healthy, I'm guessing he has a big 2013 offensively.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Aug 15, 2012 -> 03:00 PM) 1. Hawkins 2. Thompson 3. Barnum 4. Castro 5. Johnson 6. Sanchez 7. Beck 8. Walker 9. Mitchell 10. Molina Santiago and Axelrod are no longer prospects in my eyes. They fit in this group otherwise. Santiago no longer qualifies due to rookie qualifications, not sure on Axelrod. No Rienzo love, danman?

Someone asked in the catch-all thread, and a few posted theirs in a thread a few weeks ago. Some things have changed in the month or so since FutureSox posted theirs. So just for fun, all you minor league watchers, post your current Top 10. I'll start, just off the top of my head... 1. Courtney Hawkins 2. Trayce Thompson 3. Erik Johnson 4. Jared Mitchell 5. Keenyn Walker 6. Andre Rienzo 7. Carlos Sanchez 8. Simon Castro 9. Keon Barnum 10. Scott Snodgress Just miss: Dylan Axelrod, Nestor Molina

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Aug 15, 2012 -> 01:36 PM) Anyone interested in just listing a completely off-the-cuff Top Ten current sox minor league players? Can be as unscientific as need be That could be a good topic for a seperate thread, see what people think right now. FutureSox made a Top 25 list in July, where you can start as a reference point. It has only been a little over a month, but, some things have already changed on that list. A few players gone, some injuries, some hot and cold performances.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 11:31 PM) That looks like it should be popular with males aged 13-19. What a crap looking movie filled with has-been b-rate stars? Dude... Justin Timberlake will make you go see a movie, but Sam Rockwell and Christopher Walken are has-been b-rate stars? Really?

I saw the box on that continued game, and I was all ready to be happy that Rangel Ravelo was back. Then I realized he isn't, he was in the lineup from June, and got pinch-hit for. QUOTE (danman31 @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 09:11 PM) Marin totally lost his control tonight, 4 walks in less than an inning. Very uncharacteristic. I wonder what happened. Same thing happened to Remenowsky, also uncharacteristic walks.

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QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 02:30 PM) I didn't want to read thru 8 pages, but isn't this decision based on options? Wise can't be sent down. No, because before the decision, he hadn't been up yet. He was on a minor league deal anyway, so, it is possible he can be sent down as well, that part I am not sure of. And while I would have preferred to keep Danks around, I can see the other side too. And as YASNY said, really, this is not a big deal either way.