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The evidence is there just by the teams actions.

The last discussion was of Rodon getting a sim start of around 60 pitches. Reading between the lines, they were getting him ready to start again up here, so I would guess he would take the next start, and not Flores.

They aren't blocked Andrew Vaughn to resign James McCann.

Giolito was the worst pitcher in baseball in 2018. He is one of the best in 2020 because they didn't quit on him after 20 starts. It isn't difficult.

Ok, the idea that the Sox are going to stand pat forever is ridiculous, especially since we have already seen them try to move up their window this winter, and try to make deals at this deadline, even if they didn't happen.

Yes, this is worse than anything we have seen since at least the Great Depression. Which I am not sure why with a fraction of revenues that only a few owners would chose NOW to go nuts, when they didn't other less tough financial times. You have to also keep in mind that we have a CBA renegotiation coming up, and having a few owners go nuts, while the other 25 don't doesn't make for a good narrative of why they need all of these concessions in the negotiations. If there are cutbacks, it will be across the board.

Baseball really doesn't operate like that historically.

Its a fresh arm. Rey will be back eventually.

It is WAY too early to make that judgement, which was the point all along. I know people want instant gratification, but that isn't how baseball works. Heck, you would have thought we would have learned that with Giolito's exploits, but it is what it is.

We needed a pitcher able to give us multiple innings with the state of the pen right now. I am kind of surprised we also didn't see a Burdi for Hamilton swap to get another fresher arm into the organization.

Just because a guy doesn't dump his business in public like Ozzie did, doesn't mean he doesn't take care of his business.

People's initial expectations of when the Sox could compete were always way too optimistic. I remember having this debate as we were making the initial deals to get the rebuild rolling.

I don't think enough people realize that the rebuild doesn't end with the guys getting to the majors. They also have to learn how to win and overcome. I mean even Michael Jordan got his ass kicked by Detroit for a few years before figuring it out.

The pandemic doesn't change that they have a young and electric core of players locked up for around half of a decade in many cases. The idea that ONLY Jerry is going to not spend this winter is ridiculous. One of two things will happen. Either owners are going to spend nothing this winter because of the pandemic, and the prices of players will drop so that they can finally sign, or things will get back to a more normal window with the expectations of a more normal 2021 season. You won't see just Jerry not spend this winter.

I am flat out saying that you are absolutely moving the goalposts around to fit your argument, which is also changing from post to post. One minute you are using 15 years ago with Cleveland to justify one thing, but then 5 years ago is too much when it doesn't fit what you want it to fit. In recent years the White Sox have turned over both their drafting, development, scouting, and analytics people. In the longer terms teams have absolutely tried to hire way Sox personnel. The hyper focus on ONE small piece of the scouting/drafting/development ladder doesn't really disqualify any of the above. Back to McCann, the reason they didn't look to resign him long term was that there was a real chance that last year was a fluke, including his second half fade as evidence. At worse, they have made McCann an extremely rich man this offseason, by turning his career around for someone else to pay him lots of money. When you go back and look at player acquisition, are you telling me that they should have turned down Eloy because he was right handed, or not signed Robert because he wasn't a switch hitter? Should they have passed on Andrew Vaughn even if they felt he was the best available pick at #3 because he wasn't a lefty?

There were stories about Robin conducting his business behind closed doors.

100%.

This is pretty overrated. Almost all managers keep their drama in the locker room. We have no idea how Ricky handles himself behind closed doors.

So the parameters are now for raiding management, but 15 years ago for how good Cleveland's offensive development is. Got it.

Wow, that is pretty impressive.

Toronto was public turned down by Jerry when then asked to interview Kenny Williams to be President of their organization.

Is this where we are pretending that no one had interest in hiring the Sox front office people, or that their people have been largely turned over underneath of Hahn? Do we remember how many teams tried to hire Rick Hahn away before he was promoted to GM? That he was in the running with the Mets and Cardinals before dropping out? Or that the Sox actually blocked Kenny Williams from interviewing with Toronto for a promotion?

This isn't going to lead to Grady Sizemore posts is it?