southsider2k5

Witch hunt.

So why then did Bryant and Harper file grievances?

He can. And if the team goes into a negotiation with a thread to cut him if he doesn't sign a sub-arbitration contract, he has the protection of a labor union. Again, because of this you don't see players signing deals to the types of contracts which are being talked about here before the arbitration process takes place. They either offer them something in that ballpark, or they non-tender them and they become free agents. I have yet to see a single example of otherwise.

Here, straight from MLB. http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/salary-arbitration

I get that you don't understand as I have explained it multiple times and you still keep coming up with examples that aren't applicable.

I spelled out the reason. Manipulation of the process is the issue. Trying to force someone to take less than what they are technically owed, without allowing them to become a free agent isn't in the spirit of the agreement, just like intentionally keeping someone down ONE more day than the service time allows for to get another year of control is violating the spirit of service time.

Again, unless it was 20% less than their previous year salary (not the projection), it isn't the same.

Kris Bryant and Bryce Harper for two. Obviously not the same thing related to the process, but the intentional manipulation of the process is exactly what is being talked about here, and it is what they fought.

Like who? It is one thing for MLBtraderumors to write it, but has it been done in practice and vetted? If it hasn't, that there is probably a pretty good reason for it. When you involve labor unions in these types of things, how you negotiate is incredibly important. If they find you weren't negotiating within the bounds of your contracts, that can cause all kinds of problems for management. Grievances are filed for exactly these types of negotiations if they feel the integrity of the deals is being violated.

That is actually the entire point. You either get the arbitration process or a contract that respsects it, or he gets to be a free agent.

3B, I get. CF? He is supposed to be able to use his range at 2B as well, and he still had some major problems out there. I am OK with waiting for Luis Robert or Luis Gonzalez who are real CF's already.

I am just going to say it, Moncada in CF scares me. He has had some really awful IQ plays at 2B. Those kind of plays in CF turn outs into 3B and HR's, not 1B's.

Again, were they more than 20% below the previous contract?

Sub-arbitration numbers though? Any below that 20% threshold that arb protects the players at?

The Hawks have the worst bottom 6 in hockey right now. https://www.tsn.ca/leafs-islanders-getting-it-done-with-forward-depth-1.1218009

EDIT: Take that back, in his final year it was actually a qualifying offer, again, he turned down.

Do you have any examples of guys who got offered sub-arbitration contracts during this process? Moose was a free agent, so he was past that point and isn't applicable here. Also he was offered arbitration and turned it down.

Threatening him to force him to sign an sub-arbitration contract seems like it would be a violation here. They can negotiate whatever they want, but I think the threat to release him if he doesn't sign is past that line.