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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:46 PM) Well his "belief" was detrimental to his employer and his co-workers. If his "belief" was that he couldn't play under a full moon should we not call him selfish? Beliefs can be selfish. If he truly believes that his family is that much more important than his job, no I won't call him selfish. I'd be more likely to call him selfish if he sold out his beliefs for a paycheck.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:44 PM) I think this will blow over eventually, but if it doesn't and the White Sox tank in 2016, my prediction is RH...gone. RV...gone. KW takes back the GM seat. Jerry won't let Kenny fire Rick. He wouldn't let him fire Ozzie when he originally wanted to.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) He's not really going out as a martyr. He's going out as a selfish d-bag. Eh. I won't call him selfish or anything, but I don't get why this is such an unreasonable request. I have no problem with the guy standing up for his beliefs, I just don't get his beliefs.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:01 PM) Just some comments. Rosenthal just came out with a column basically asking, "who is running the White Sox show?" something that fans have been asking for the last few years. In it his says there is friction between Hahn and Williams and wonders why the policy wasn't presented by Hahn or Ventura. He also says those two disagreed with Kenny. Obviously this is just another bit of evidence of a somewhat dysfunctional front office...maybe more than we think. Obviously JR should be the one to step in but apparently it doesn't bother him. The only time I can recall that he did so was when he had the pregame press conference in D.C. where he told both Williams and Ozzie to cut it out after the Twitter stuff came out. When your top pitcher tells the V.P. to get out and stay out of the clubhouse, it's not a good thing. LaRoche's leaving help the Sox on the field and may lead to tearing it apart and torpedoing the season when all is said and done. We'll see but this situation appears now to be getting out of control. Mark If players are going to Kenny Williams, it sounds like neither Robin or Rick is taking care of the problem, no?

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:21 PM) Who would you rather the players hate, KW or Ventura? Yep.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:45 PM) Remember the 2002 World Series when JT Snow scooped up Dusty Baker's son as he crossed home plate ? Didn't that lead to rules being put into place saying bat boys had to be at least 13 or 14 years old?

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) if you want to take it personal, fine. you can do what ever you want!!!!! i just didn't mean it that way. Sure. You just wanted to go after my character... I could see how you would think that isn't personal.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) If they decide to hold a fire sale, they're clearly starting over. In which case the prospect package for Sale would be more valuable to the Sox than Sale at that point. I'm glad that Sale is very good at what he does and I'm glad that he's trying to help this team win. As long as the Sox are in go-for-it mode, I'm happy that Sale's on the team. But I'll never respect him in the way that I respect guys like Buehrle and Ventura. I can understand that much.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) Comparing a kid in the clubhouse with slavery. I don't see how this kind of post is allowed. Uh, oh. Sounds like he is going for reprisals now.

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) i am not talking about the admins but other posters who might feel that the conversation is getting redundant. again it is not meant to be personal. Actually accusing someone of taking reprisals for disagreeing with someone else is extremely personal.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:11 PM) Total BS post. Should be suspension worthy. But they gave their word to the South!

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) If the Sox are still mired in mediocrity next July, I hope that Sale is the first one out the door in the fire sale. I won't miss him. That is just ridiculous. If the Sox ever lose Sale, it will be a dark day for the franchise.

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) really mean no offense. but it also is in the constitution of freedom based on liberty and etc.... in other words, he, DA has a right to debate any issue without fear of reprisal again i do not mean any negativity to you, only your comment. Apparently only he has the right to debate? And what are you talking about reprisals for?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) Change is fine, but if you have given your word, that should mean something. Clearly Dick Allen is in favor of Slavery, because it was in the constitution.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) Yes but the White Sox agreed to this when he signed the contract according to most. I am of the belief people should live up to their agreements. Things should never change. Ever.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:47 PM) It would be pretty silly to accommodate 1 player is in all probably will be here at most 1 year. But you never know. Which is funny, because LaRoche was going to be here one more year, at most.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 7m7 minutes ago The main thrust of Chris Sale's anger with Kenny Williams was that he's not around enough to understand the dynamics of White Sox clubhouse. He should be there every single minute of every day.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:29 PM) Why would this affect future FA signings? That sounds like quite the overreaction. Very few people are siding with LaRoche on this. It will be forgotten in a week. For all of the players that refuse to put their kids into school and have the kid with them 100% of the time anyway.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:27 PM) Sale yelling at KW about the closer thing is the best thing Sale has said in his life. Things like the Tigers cheating was pretty foolish though. Or heading over to the KC locker room to apparently fight them.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:20 PM) That isn't the point, and yet people continue to argue it as if it is. The point is that the Sox told him he could have his kid around all the time and then they changed their mind, after he relied upon their decision to come to his own decision to sign here. Obviously if the Sox agreed to this in the first place, that is one piece of evidence suggesting that professional sports, and baseball in particular, is NOT similar to the working environments the rest of us report to every day. Would you even make this request in your job interview? Can you imagine what your prospective employer would say? Of course you wouldn't. And your prospective employer would laugh in your face. And yet, LaRoche DID make this request, and the White Sox AGREED to this! So can we please stop with the comparisons to my freaking office job or someone's job as a butcher and all the other bs comparisons I am reading? Then, at some point, the team decided that the arrangement wasn't working and tried to change it. The White Sox do have the ability to change their minds occasionally if they feel it is prudent.

QUOTE (shakes @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:17 PM) Whether he wanted it or not, it's happening and it seems like an awful lot of this is being fanned from his camp. I think he thought he was going to look like some awesome father. To me, it looks like he has taught his son: 1. It's ok to quit your commitments when things don't go your way. 2. It's ok to quit on your teammates when things don't go your way. 3. You are entitled to special treatment, if said special treatment is asked to be reduced.....quit. 4. You should only abide by unwritten rules and handshake agreements when they are in your favor. If you don't like them......quit. 5. You can quit school when you are about 10. 6. In the process of quitting, and martyring yourself, it's ok to use your children as the excuse you are going to quit. /thread

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) Could it be possible that a few of the guys on the team could have expressed their concern to KW of the kid being there but never openly with other players because...I dont know...maybe they didnt want to be considered the guy b****ing about something "small" with one of the nice guys on the team? It isn't like some players got upset about it and threw temper tantrums or anything.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) The guys said Sale was an idiot for yelling at KW years ago. That is what he was yelling at him about. Because apparently when you disagree with someone, the only solution is to yell at them.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 11:53 AM) I'm sure all the line workers using sharp tools and heavy equipment in the meat packing plant have their kids there every day. Sounds evil to me.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 11:48 AM) Cant wait until Derrick explains the concept of gang bang to his kid in the locker room Thankfullly no one has ever had to question Derrick Rose's level of commitment either.