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QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 12:18 PM) with that, add the yrs of the contract spread evenly over the yrs so, what can that cost be?? They can't do that. A minor league deal is only good through one year. After that, the team gets control of him like any other draftee or prospect, and gets to renew his minor league deal.

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 11:11 AM) The personality of the manager is really as irrelevant as Ditka is now. Its time to stop pointing to Ditka as if he is the only crowning achievement that this town has. Quenneville, Guillen, Phil Jackson have all won titles in Chicago since Ditka won a title, and they didnt all act like raging assholes in order to win titles. You want your manager to win games, The End. Joel Quenneville has as many titles in Chicago as Ditka, Guillen, and Keenan combined. Phil puts them all to shame.

QUOTE (Douglas Rome @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 11:08 AM) EDIT: I know you are new here and all, but this is a pretty intelligent site all and all. If you want to talk about firing a manager in your first post here, you had better come ready to carry some weight as to why. I may be new here, but I ain't no whippersnapper and I ain't no troll. I started watching/listening to White Sox baseball when I was about 9 or 10yrs old and this Feb I will be 69yrs old. I seen every manager from the 50s to date and Ventura is one of the worse we have had. Yes, personality does count, and he has zero, you want the Sox to be front page of the funny papers? You gotta have a spokesman who commands attention. Remember Ditka? The best part of those years was watching him, he kept the team in the funnies. Most of you guys are still wet behind the ears compared to me, so please don't opine me that I don't know what I'm talking about. thanks, douglas You mean Mike Ditka and Ozzie Guillen who can't find jobs with other teams? Honestly, I don't care about the Sox on the front page or the back page. I care about them at the top of the standings. The only place personality means anything is in the locker room. Inside of the locker room, this team respects Robin Ventura. That is way more important than the baseball writers liking a guy because he gives them quotes to write articles around. Spare me all of the "you're too young to know better" type stuff. I have been around sports all of my life, both as a broadcaster and a fan. I see what makes a good leader of men. Guys like Guillen and Ditka are products of a by-gone era. People don't respond to that stuff anymore. They want a guy that respects them both personally and professionally.

Damned right.

Big butts are honest, because they cannot lie.

Zero chance of that happening.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 10:31 AM) i didn't know that. thanks.... btw how many yrs is that contract for? It is a minor league deal, so it is all payable in the first year. With the new signing rules, international players under 23 can't sign major league contracts anymore.

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QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 24, 2014 -> 01:04 PM) Pierzynski to Atlanta Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 4m4 minutes ago AJ Pierznyski will earn a $2 million salary w $700,000 in incentives w #Braves in what could be final year of fabulous career

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 10:15 AM) ok, you convince me that was a bad idea. on a side note, do you really think 50 mil is the cost? let me ask this question, seeing Jose A now, what will you say his worth being??? From the sounds of it, $50 million might be pretty low. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/...thin-two-weeks/

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 10:03 AM) I think he would have pushed his way in no matter what, the injuries just accelerated it. This guy is something special, all of his teammates keep saying it Yeah, you can see the flashes. You see them more and more each night.

Very wise to write off 2014.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 09:52 AM) Friedell and Cowley both proclaimed that Niko would be getting a Thibs "redshirt" season. Both were very wrong Part of that was injuries. I wonder how much he would have played with a healthy front line. There is no doubting that he has taken advantage of the injuries.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 09:21 AM) Niko made his last two 3 pointers vs the knicks last week, since then he has made 13/19 from behind the arc. It has been fun watching him learn the NBA so damned quickly. He has star written all over him.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 09:11 AM) In the East there's no doubt. A full-strength Spurs team is scary while the Warriors are a matchup nightmare for anyone. I believe everything we're seeing now has to be taken with a grain of salt. Playoff basketball is different. It's nice to see that Thibs has taken the final necessary path of his development and realized that the foot doesn't need to be on the gas for 82 games in the regular season. This is a great, great basketball team. Thibs still needs to make adjustments, I'd like for Jimmy and Pau's minutes to be monitored a bit more so we aren't without either come playoff time. Pau Gasol changes the dynamic of this roster and is essential - 35 minutes/game for a 34 year old 7 footer is a tad risky, imo. For comparison's sake, Pop had the Big Fundamental averaging 28 mpg in his age 34 season and sandwiched that with 31 and 28 respectively in the age 33 and 35 seasons. Just food for thought. Can't leave out a healthy Thunder team as well.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Dec 25, 2014 -> 08:10 PM) Along with the most stacked frontcourt in the NBA, watching the Rose, Butler and Brooks backcourt rotation is legit giving me a woodie A little credit to GarPax is way overdue here also, we sure love b****ing about them for their lack of big time signings but they quietly built probably the best team in the NBA. It is crazy to think that not signing a superstar like Melo might have been the best thing to happen to them. We'll see if it lasts once it comes to playoff time, but I am enjoying the hell out of this team right now.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 25, 2014 -> 11:45 AM) i am flipping around on this. part of me says sign him, a great potential ball player. the other part is saying, that a huge amount of money up front. no protection built in. Let me put it this way. Let's say for some crazy reason the math works out that Moncada takes $50 million to get here, when bonus and taxes are included. $50 million to the White Sox is what we are going to pay Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, Jose Abreu, Alexei Ramirez, David Robertson, and Adam LaRoche in 2015... combined. Does anyone really see them finding that kind of money, again, and spending it on a 19 year old Cuban prospect? If the White Sox had another $50 million to spend on the team in 2015, they would be looking at guys like Max Scherzer, not Yoan Moncada.

Ugh. It isn't about personality. By the end, Ozzie had lost the team because no one cared to play in his reindeer games anymore. Instead of worrying about his team, he was too busy getting his next contract. And I know time has dulled this one, but Ozzie wasn't exactly baseball strategy mensa. EDIT: I know you are new here and all, but this is a pretty intelligent site all and all. If you want to talk about firing a manager in your first post here, you had better come ready to carry some weight as to why.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 25, 2014 -> 09:30 AM) The money will be paid up-front since it's a signing bonus, but how the Sox account for the expense is unknown. Most businesses would consider this type of move a long-term investment and would allocate the cost over the life of the asset (or contract in this case). Baseball is obviously a different animal so who really knows. Either way, I think the sacrifice of future Latin American signings of any significance is the bigger reason why they won't sign Moncada. The big point isn't how it is allocated. It is that you have to write a check to Moncada for his signing bonus immediately. Because he isn't allowed to sign a major league deal, it can't be spaced across years. It is paid now. The same goes for the tax money. That check is written now. Someone has to put $50 million, or more, in cash, on the table, for this to get done. All of the other deals we saw this winter are future commitments, which are spread out over years. This isn't legal, or possible, for Moncada.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 25, 2014 -> 06:40 AM) Are we talking $50 large Up Front? Or spread out over a few yrs? Up front. He can only be signed to a minor league deal, and the taxes have to be paid up front as well.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 24, 2014 -> 11:09 PM) Did you think at the time the Sox were chasing Tanaka that they had the kind of money lying around that was rumored to have been offered him? Except he didn't cost anywhere near the immediate outlay that Moncada will. And they hadn't spent nearly as much as we have in the past month.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 24, 2014 -> 12:26 PM) Big blow to the Cavs, specifically their defense. Also, Smith signs with Rockets. He realizes that they only have one ball at a time, right?

Really? Sucks to be you.