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QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 11:46 AM) First baseman with a good hit-tool who can take a walk and has decent but limited power? If he was really there, he'd be the #2 or #3 prospect in the system right now. Ceiling? Maybe. Realistic, not really.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) More realistic than Ryan Howard in his prime to Keon Barnum? Sure. Billy Butler is not a "pretty good comp" for Ravelo.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 11:35 AM) Ryan Howard in his prime hit .313/.425/.659. Where's the evidence that Barnum has anything even approaching that hit-tool or plate discipline? If by "if everything clicks" for Barnum you mean "if he totally changes his skill-set" then sure, but you could say that for anyone. Billy Butler's a pretty good comp for Ravelo and insanely more realistic than Howard to Barnum. Butler was also an All-Star. That would give Ravelo a better shot of being an All-Star. Billy Butler is realistic?

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 10:50 AM) Instead of all this talk about #4 and #3, how about that he ranks 85th of 92 qualified starters in FIP, 86th of 92 in xFIP, and 85th of 92 in SIERA. Last year was his recovery year. This year was supposed to be his bounceback year. Meanwhile, his velocity is showing no signs of coming back, his strikeouts are almost the same as last year and his walk rate has nearly doubled. All across the board his numbers are down on last year, barring giving up less homers, and last year's homer number was flukily high anyway. Danks is a much better "effectively wild" type pitcher. He doesn't have the type of stuff to pepper the zone. You can see it in the extreme reduction in his homer rate (down 33%), and both his H/9-BAA dropping this year. His K rate is also up.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 11:11 AM) Someone re-ran it a couple years ago, and it was right around 71%, I believe. Probably safe to assume 70% now. With 16 attempts that is literally the difference between what he has now, and one caught stealing. One more SB instead of one CS and he is at 70%.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 10:44 AM) This disagrees with Nathaniel Stoltz's scouting report on him. Stoltz has said previously that, while he may not be a lock to become a 20 homer guy, he definitely has the talent and ability to do so. http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/rangel-ravelo-1b-sleeper/ I like the prospects of Ravelo becoming a regular at the MLB level far more than I do Barnum's. This is how I look at it in terms of grading. Out of 10, Ravelo is a 5 now, with a chance at 7, all things considered (minuses for position and lack of power). Barnum is a 3 now, with at chance at 9 because of his huge power. It is all in how you want to grade for the minors. How much do you weigh a ceiling against a guys chances at actually making it to that ceiling? Ravelo has a much better chance of making it, but IF Barnum makes it, he could have MLB leading type power.

Also one thing to consider, Danks is one of the pitchers on the market who won't be hurt by going to the new Yankee stadium.

Charlotte Knights ‏@KnightsBaseball 1h Full details on Andy Wilkins, who was just named IL Batter of the Week: http://atmilb.com/UFFdTs

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 1h The #Cubs have zero interest in trading for #Rays David Price now, #Cubs executive says, wanting to hang onto their prized prospects.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 55m Some rival officials feel that the Dodgers' best chance to move Kemp is to tie him to one of their elite prospects in a deal. To assess Matt Kemp's current value, asked 2 execs what they'd give him as a free agent today. 1st response:2 years, $16m; 2nd: 2 yrs, $15m. There's a growing expectation from rival execs that Jon Lester is going to be traded before Jdeadline; LAD viewed as likely landing spot.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 10:02 AM) Ravelo is getting dinged for playing a power position and displaying a lack of power. Barnum ranks ahead of him because, for all of his faults, the kid has power that will play at 1B. Ravelo is a guy that seems to have reached his ceiling in that he is a really solid contact hitter but really offers little else in the way of tools. If he played 2B, he would be a top 5 guy, but as a 1B/DH his long term projection is as a bench bat. It is tough to see a lot of upside in Ravelo at this point, and that is what this list really reflects more than anything is their perceived ceiling of these players. His position is a HUGE problem for Ravelo. He has zero chance at making the major league roster as a 1B. If he can't play somewhere else, he is the classic "blocked" player.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 09:56 AM) Only issue I have with Eaton is SB%. If he can't do better than 63%, then he needs to run less. Don't take yourself off the bases with Abreu coming up. He only has 16 attempts on the season. Ramirez and De Aza have 20. Leury has 11 in a fraction of the PA's. Eaton hasn't been running that much.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 07:43 AM) Tyler Saldhino out for the year. Tommy john surgery It has been a really tough year for injuries in the organization.

And I know a lot of people won't like this, but the guys intangibles are just off of the chart. He will leave anything and everything on the field to win a game. The "basehit" with the runner on 3rd and the IF in yesterday is the perfect example. 99.9999% of players are out on that play. Adam Eaton? Nope. He stole that play, and it turned into two runs. Any other player on the White Sox that is a ground out.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 08:23 AM) So Robin is the worst manager ever because he didn't save Moises Sierra for a pinch hitting situation. Moises Sierra, who has a 47 wRC+ this season, 60 wRC+ against lefties. De Aza is having a really bad year, but in his career vs. lefties he has an 85 wRC+. Was Sierra a better choice? Maybe, but you could argue either way. Regardless, it sounds like the difference between fighting a bear using a spork or a toothpick. Given the relatively even odds of failure with each batter at the plate, is it not at least defensible to at least make sure the runner on second would score on a base hit? At least there's a significant difference between Sierra and Konerko on the basepaths -- I'm not sure there really was one between De Aza and Sierra at the plate. At the end of the day, the team had a runner on third with no outs and couldn't manage to tie the game. A complete failure of the players on the field. Exactly.

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 22m Good year, zero support for Top 20. @FutureSox: How is Rangel Ravelo not in @whitesox Top 20?

Matthew DeFranks ‏@MDeFranks 1h A friend of Hector Santiago in Cooperstown got Goose Gossage to address an autograph to Hector. The message? "You had a nice career." Oops.

Scott Carroll @Scotty_Carroll · 25m Hey @MoisesAlou18 is it true that when you would piss on your hands, it would help with blisters?

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 06:43 PM) Ventura isn't a managerial genius, but I think next year will be more important to win. They have Sale and Abreu, so they owe it to themselves to try to put a team around them that has some expectations to win games. This year seems to be a feeling out process with some new guys, a ton of injuries, and some guys that have no shot of returning next year. Ventura's key year will be next year. One thing I think Ventura has been pretty good at is trying to not put the younger kids in a position to fail. He hasn't over-exposed a guy like Nieto who could easily be putting up terrible numbers in some less optimal match ups. He also let a guy like Conor win the job with his play, and not award it to either Keppinger or Davidson just simply on pedigree or salary. He respects his veterans and let's them dictate their play, and so when he takes them out, they don't have a problem with it, because they know it is for a good reason.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 06:38 PM) First thing I did when I saw this thread was say, "Oh Jesus Christ". But seriously, Terry Bevington comes to my mind first. In my lifetime, Terry Bevington is so far ahead of this race it isn't even funny. The guy was an awful tactician, and his team's hated him. Ventura at least seems to have the respect of his players.

I have a vote for the worst thread in the history of Soxtalk.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 04:07 PM) There's just no way you let PK run. Having Rienzo do it is not automatically an option; there's a reason you almost never see this, especially in the AL, especially in a non-extra inning game. Pitchers need to have a lot of notice to get their legs loosened up because they didn't prepare to do any running that day. Perkins is an excellent closer and several guys didn't get the job done at the dish. Gillaspie was a pinch hit candidate as well, but of course we didn't do that either. The real issue we witness here, other than just run-of-the-mill guys not quite getting their jobs done, is the continued hamstringing of our bench due to the fact we have two DH-only players. Thank you for a moment of sanity.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:58 PM) Our f***tard manager costs us another W. Thanks Robin for taking a team that should be running away with the division and making us a below .500 club. No. Hell no. And I believe you would get your ass kicked for saying something like that.

The underachieving trio closes it out.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:52 PM) Yes and? I understand what Hahn's done here. He just needs to do a better job in certain areas. Duh. He still has work to do. But, again, there are more important things to worry about than middle relief on a mediocre team.