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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 11:24 AM) No one was even blaming the Bulls front office. Scs just gets weirdly defensive of them. It's bizarre. But I'll play now. Really the Bulls had similar assets as to what they have now. Gibson, Butler, rights to Mirotic, 2 first round picks. What potentially screwed us was waiting to focus on Love. The Cavs got Wiggins and Lebron. The Bulls didn't wait on Love. They have been making ever improving offers for the entire off season if you believe the press.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 11:15 AM) Why is Wiggins the easy choice? Weren't pundits talking about possibly trading that #1 pick for 2 top tens in a loaded draft? That's essentially what Minnesota is getting here, plus a really good player in Taj. IMO that beats a deal involving Wiggins and scrap. Cavs have to offer up Bennett and some first round picks in order for me to pull the trigger on that deal over the Bulls. Especially if Flip wants to "win" now and compete for a playoff spot. In an NBA trade quality is always better than quantity. Always.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 11:44 AM) Close wanted to make it public though. He represents Aiken and Nix. He had the leverage. Aiken's camp didn't say anything until the medicals and the new bonus offers went public.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 10:44 AM) They do more with less, they should not be penalized for operating efficiently. And they didn't even need to tank for a half of a decade to do it.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 10:44 AM) You have to wonder if Aiken and Close just shut the door when the lowballing began, and just kept it closed even if the Astros came back to their original offer. After an experience like that coupled with the issues with Springer and Appell and Singleton, why would anyone want to begin their career with the astros. I am sure that is part of what happened. The reality is that all of that should have stayed behind closed doors. After that, if you are willing to bid more, just give him what you agreed to. Don't wait until the last minute to try to pressure him into a discount. Either that, or stick to your minimum offer if you are really sure that the medicals are accurate.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 08:05 AM) I understand what you are getting at here, but this is somewhat misleading. Of that list, only Gartrell was ever considered a real prospect while in the Sox system. The other three were MiLB filler guys old for level. Wilkins is not a high end prospect, but I'd still say he's a prospect, and his 25 HR in IL play (and we're still in July) do mean a lot more to me than what Johnson, Restovich or Eldred put up. And Wilkins has never been considered a "real" prospect either.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 07:03 AM) Sox fans have a little something to get excited about for a position that will likely have a void soon and of course you want to come along and piss on it. Outside of pessimism, does anything at all make you happy? It is one thing to be excited. It is quite another when people are suggesting the team cut major leaguers to make room for what is exceedingly probably a fluke.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 08:09 AM) I think the compensation pick the next season should be determined by the percentage of slot you ultimately offer. If they offer him 40% slot and he doesn't sign, your compensation isn't the second pick in the draft, but a 3rd rounder. You offer 90% slot, you get the 2nd pick. Something like that. If it's true Houston upped their offer to $5 million with 5 minutes left until the deadline, and were shocked at no response, that's just crazy. Ultimately what they initially agreed to and the 40% slot financially is the price of a slightly better than replacement level player for one season. While it's a lot of money to me and most people, in baseball it's basically nothing. What I don't get is if they really think his arm is going to be a problem, why up your offer multiple times in the last minute, but then let the kid slip away over a million a half. It is one thing to bid the minimum to keep compensation. But to let him and 2 other picks walk because of $1.5 million? Either he isn't worth it because his arm is wonked, or he is OK, and worth the number one pick. Pay him his money and move on. I think Houston's late bidding activity directly contradicts their public contentions about his health being a factor.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 10:00 AM) We're still the Bulls so I'm still at there's a 0 percent chance this happens. That is pretty high TBH.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 10:06 PM) Eh, that Verlander guy turned out ok. Avila is good too. They have been good about unloading their prospects for the major league team, though. They have been running on the Kenny Williams model for a while now.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 05:10 PM) I definitely thought his 2012 was a fluke after that season but then his stuff seemingly got better and he just kept getting better. As others have said, it's beyond awesome to have him and Sale locked up at below market level deals. I spent his entire first two years waiting for him to morph into a fifth starter. Then I learned to love the Serpent.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 08:48 AM) It was an admittedly bad attempt at a joke. If the guy's ready, go for it, I'm not going to be upset. I would love to see him get a few MLB ABs if he is ready. Then let him play some winter ball and work on that Magglio slide in the OF.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:45 PM) Hemming and hawing about "depth" which was useless come playoff time in 2011 and 2012. "But the Spurs!" they say. Like you can just BE the Spurs. I want the Bears to be the Patriots too. Depth is what teams that don't have superstars (note plural) need. Even in the case of the Spurs, they have superstars.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:28 PM) Yeah how about it? Wilkins has some talent because he was a 5th rd pick. He plays 1B and is 6'1. He hits LH which is a plus. His wRC+ at Charlotte is 129 and he has a wOBA of .373. He's been raking lately. I don't take 1st base prospects seriously unless they can absolutely mash. Wilkins also carries a 5% walk rate and will turn 26 in September. He deserves a September look but isn't really a prospect at this point. I hope I'm wrong. The Charlotte homer numbers are insane at their new park. Don't just look at Wilkins numbers, look up and down that line up. Danks is already at a career high too. Carlos Sanchez who had three homers in 5 years, has five homers. Takotte has gone from 4 homers to 11, in few ABs than last year. Davidson has more HRs already than he hit in the PCL all of last year.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:29 PM) I'd be tickled s***less if the Cubs gutted their system to get an expensive, soon-to-be 29 year old starting pitcher whose velocity has dropped for three consecutive seasons I'd feel better about it if they threw $200 million at him as well.

Darren Wolfson ‏@DarrenWolfson 10h NBA source w/ a big stake in the #Twolves/Cavs talks verifies @sheridanhoops report: Gibson, Mirotic, McDermott on the table for Love.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:18 PM) Fluke minor league performances happen all of the time. To make the point, past HR leaders at Charlotte. 2012 Dan Johnson 28 2011 Steven Gartrell 26 2010 Steven Gartrell 27 2009 Michael Restovich 21 2008 Brad Eldred 35

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:13 PM) Where will he be in 2 years? Probably starting for the Yankees putting up 30 bombs in that park Fluke minor league performances happen all of the time.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 09:00 PM) I'm not wite but absolutely Matt Davidson is the better prospect. He's 22 years old and plays 3B. Seriously. In two years we will all be going "remember Wilkins"?

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 08:27 PM) Man, outside of this board (where everyone for the most part sees the forest and the trees) it's funny how many Bulls fans hated this trade - probably something like 80%. So much whining about how the Bulls are stupid to give up so many assets. But these are mostly the same people bemoaning another "Plan B" offseason because our conservative front office can't ever close deals and is too risk-averse/overvalues its assets to pull off any significant deals. Complaining about either one of these things is ok, but both? That just makes you look like a f***ing idiot. If you are bringing in Love, you literally don't need one of Mirotic or Gibson. The guy is going to play 40 minutes a night. The need for a second scorer also is gone. How the trade isn't a positive is beyond me.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 04:48 PM) Man, Cowley is the worst. Tweets in last hour: -Looks like bulls were just being used, ohio news outlet reporting cavs looking for 3rd team to finalize trade - Good news: twolves believe bulls still have best offer - Bad news: bulls actually kinda sorta did not give deadline so there will be no end to this madness. #NomatterwhatIamright

Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 24m Source: Sergio Santos accepted outright assignment to AAA Buffalo instead of electing free agency. #BlueJays

Watch the Power of Few last night, and was horrified. It was like they took they worst of Crash and Do Da Right Thing and mashed up a movie. The best thing I can say is that Christopher Walken had a great bit part in it. Other than that, I am glad it was only an hour and a half long instead of two or two and a half hours.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:22 PM) And it was Hummel. Timberwolves PR @Twolves_PR · 39s Due to overwhelming demand, we'll go ahead & spill the news now: The #Twolves have signed forward Robbie Hummel. Welcome back, Robbie! Valpolicious.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:18 PM) And the Sox probably won't score this inning so it will be yet another very strong outing for Quintana in which he is not rewarded with a win. I'm so happy (most) people are past the point of evaluating pitchers on wins and losses. 36 of 76 starts are NDs for Quintana.