southsider2k5

Every single team in baseball makes $100 million in cash before they ever sell a single ticket, beer, or hat. The season makes them money, no doubt, but a majority of cash flow comes from non-ballpark revenue.

Revenues have doubled with players share dropping by 25%. The billionaires are already bending you over, and then making you carry their mail afterwards.

You are on a message board, not a massage board. I know that's a small typo, but Soxtalk isn't here to be "fair and balanced". Any site that tries to say they are is lying. This is a bunch of individuals here trading opinions, with some of us even bothering to take the time to read up on what we are arguing. Soxtalk isn't soft or for those who just want their opinions spouted back at them in a protected and one sided format. This isn't about one person's feelings. It's about a 20 year old format which works to allow all sides to debate, but not necessarily agree. The fact that you tried to paint the admin team as some uniform force is the most ironic part of all. If you'd really paid attention you'd know that it's the admin team who typically has the nastiest rows with each other. It's just in this case the evidence is so overwhelming and obvious that we aren't.

Let me put it this way. I get a salary and a bonus based on personal and company performance in a six man shop. If nothing else changes, the company revenue doubles, and the company offers me 2% more, I would have a major problem. Your scenario is bogus and not at all apt. If the value of your house doubled, and the next owner was only willing to pay you 5% more, now you have a real comp. The players are the one who have taken a 25% haircut on doubled revenues here, not the owners

Again, what evidence do you have of this?

They pretty much did exactly that. They didn't negotiate for six weeks, then made an offer. Then the players made a counter offer and they walked away.

They obviously wanted to wait out the clock and then try to get the pressure on the players to cave, much like happened when it came to setting the 2020 season in which the owners got exactly what they wanted.

THEN WHY DID YOU REFUSE TO MEET FOR SIX F@#$ing WEEKS?!?!?!?

Also this is a good thread.

Again, 20 years ago, players held about 63% of baseball's revenue pie. Today it is a touch over 47%. They have lost 16 percentage points or about 25% of the share they once had. In order to start to make some of that back up to get back to even where they were, it is going to take some revenues flowing their way. For some perspective, the most recent baseball revenue numbers I saw were $10.7 billion. So when the players were asking for a $110 million piece for a specific group of underpaid arb qualifiers, you are talking about just a shade over 1% of the pool. When the dropped their ask to $100 million, it became less than 1%. The generous owners who proposed this idea and were willing to put $5 million into it are offering players 0.04% of revenues back. To simply get back to the 52% share the players had a few years back, the ownership would have to move almost $500 million in revenue over to players. To get back to 63%, it would take about $1.6 billion. So while the owners and their mouthpieces will try to blow people away with headlines about the players asking for 100 MILLION DOLLARS!, they leave out all perspective of the missing $1.6 BILLION that players would have had if things had remained simply the same for the last 20 years.

There is no doubt that Jo is my favorite Bulls at least since the Jordan era, maybe ever.

Each team in MLB has at least 100 million in cash flow before they sell a single ticket or jersey.

As revenues have gone up, salaries are down. https://www.blessyouboys.com/2021/12/16/22831008/mlbs-revenue-sharing-problem-and-how-to-solve-it

The idea that the players are asking for something crazy just isn't true. The owners have already been taking a larger share of revenues and now want to grow the pie even larger are still not make the players get to where they were. They are down 5 full percentage points (or around 10%) of where they were in 2008 from 52 to 47% of revenues. In 2003 it was 63%. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/05/12/mlb-players-revenue-sharing-fight-coronavirus-pandemic/3110292001/

They have been taking a larger and larger share of revenues. The players are losing both share and dollars.

But I don't miss Robbie Hummel.

They have already given it up.

That is literally what has happened in the last few years. Players shares of revenues are shrinking. That is what you are defending here.

More accurate would be a company with record profits and raising prices, cutting salaries because of inflation and offering the car salesman a smaller than usual commission on the sale because of inflation.

The party that didn't bother talking for six weeks is being unreasonable. Sounds reasonable.

You keep saying stuff like that, where is your evidence.

This is basically what we got from the Hawks.