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Looks to be for Jeff Niemann and Reid Brignac... http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07...cquire_bay.html

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 02:08 PM) Deadline is up now yes? Wonder how many deals will be annouced here shortly. Hopefully KW got an arm to help out. 45 more minutes.

I'm still not quite sure about this deal. We didn't give up that much and Griffey is one of my all-time favorite players, but what are we going to do with him? I don't imagine we'd put Dye at 1B, bench PK and let Jr. play RF?

QUOTE (DBAH0 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 01:54 PM) Also we've basically given up Brandon McCarthy (Danks + Masset) and Aaron Cunningham (Richar) for John Danks and Ken Griffey Jr. That's some pretty good wheeling and dealing by KW. QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 01:55 PM) Cunningham/McCarthy for Griffey/Danks? LOL, beat me by that much.

Cunningham/McCarthy for Griffey/Danks?

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 02:07 AM) He is a good man.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 12:15 AM) I'm more afraid of Michael Bourn. He would steal his way to a victory for the Astros and they would rename the team the Houston Bourn's. We were able to evade the wrath of Willy Taveras. Hopefully we could do the same against Bourn.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 11:50 PM) If Swisher keeps giving quotes like this, I might learn to love him. Wow. Great stuff. Great win tonight. Gavin comes through in the twinkiedome. If we could win Game Four of the series, that would be a heck of a nice rally after stinking in the first two. 3-3 on the road trip so far. It really would be nice to split with the Twinks. They are pesky, but on paper not that much better if at all better than the Sox. Did you see his play in the 8th(?) inning on that foul ball by Harris down the RF line? He slammed into the wall, looked like he got the living s*** beat out of him by the poles supporting the wall. Then Herm came out, gave him some smelling salt and said "Thanks a lot man" and hugged him. Then he was standing over in RF after the play dancing and joking with the guys in the dugout.

QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:35 PM) Houston can once again challenge us in the World Series. Randy Wold and Latroy Hawkins? We'd have no shot. THIS. SEASON. IS. OVER.

...July.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:51 PM) The only thing- the Cubs play alot of away games in September and if Milwaukee can win tomorrow, they'd only be 3 up. However, if the Cubs win tomorrow, it's over, IMO. It's July. July.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 11:29 PM) I'm not trying to be Captain Wise-A** here, but when I think of hard, I think 95+. If Massett throws a moving 92-93 mph fastball right down the shoot, it has a good chance of going 400 feet, while a 95+ mph fastball right down the shoot is tougher. And yes, 2-3+ mph does make a difference. It makes a difference, but it's actually easier to hit a HR on a faster pitch than a slower pitch. For example, why can't we hit Kevin Slowey but rock the s*** out of Joel Zumaya. It doesn't take a big swing to hit a HR on a 100 mph fastball or 95 for that matter. Look at Swish vs Nathan last night. With that said, I've been hit with 90+ mph fastballs, and while they hurt, it doesn't make you fall and wince every time. Oh, and any 92-93 mph fastball down the shoot has a good chance of going a long way. It's not like only Masset has this problem.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 11:15 PM) We have an obvious hole at first base. I was just reading the game thread and someone brought up a great name. What is McPherson still doing in the minors, and is he obtainable via trade? He can play 1B and 3B in the majors. His stats in AAA: .298 .406 .690 1.096 38 hr 82 RBI in 98 games Those are some monster power numbers.

QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:42 PM) Let's get a win tomorrow and forget this trip to Minnesota ever happened. Why would we want to forget it if we split? We'd be able to come back and take the next 2 after coming out flat in the 1st two. If anything, it'd be a moral victory to play so bad the 1st 2 and leave the series with the same lead as we came in with. Especially with the next series vs KC and a 10 game homestand looming...

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 11:00 PM) Tyrus has great defensive instincts. Elaborate. I didn't know standing under the rim and jumping a lot meant you had great instincts. Could you give an example? He's also a terrible man defender and usually gets his blocks on help defense...so I don't know much about his "great instincts."

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:49 PM) Plus, Tyrus can change the game with his defense. He has great instincts. Umm, what?

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:46 PM) Oh yeah, at least for total rebounds, since I can't find RPG, Deng isn't in the top 15 for SF's. http://basketballreference.com/leaders/lea...g=n&yr=2007 Remember that part where he missed 20 games?

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:42 PM) soxfan1astraumas . But yeah, I love Tyrus just for his spectacular dunks! Let's bring in Gerald Green in too while we're at it! I'm just another idiot fan! Would you care to elaborate on why you like Tyrus then? We know he's athletic, but what else? And don't say because he'll strive with Rose as a PG. Thats pure speculation that both HE and ROSE will pan out. So, give me a reason why Tyrus should be starting at PF?

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:37 PM) Hinrich dribbles the ball for about 20 seconds a game, then ends up passing to whoever's right next to him for a contested jumper. It's usually Gordon, but I've seen Deng and Wallace get the ball in that situation too. And Gordon gets triple teamed at the end of games because everyone else knows, he's the only one who wants to make that shot and the only one capable of hitting it. His coach knew this and so do others. Now with Rose, hopefully he could help the Bulls get creative on offense, so he could drive, if he gets doubled, he could pass to Gordon for an open 3 or Deng for an open mid range shot or throw to Tyrus on an open lob. I agree with you that Gordon would be a valuable scorer between Rose and Deng, but you're still overrating him. He gets triple teamed because they know he's going to get the ball, sure, but a great player would make something happen and pass it out to the open man. You're telling me Deng is capable of hitting a wide open jump shot throughout the entire game except for in the 4th quarter? An open jumper is an open jumper, plain and simple. By my count, a triple team on Gordon means that TWO guys are open. Dish the rock son.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:35 PM) no. I want to see what they could do in a new system. I also want to see what Tyrus could do if he actually PLAYS. He'll give you about 9 and 9 as a PF, take way too many jump shots that he can't hit, get into foul trouble, demand the ball and sulk all game when he doesn't get it, play mediocre defense with an extraordinary block every once in a while, have a goaltending here and there, and then throw down a spectacular dunk, causing more people, such as you, to ignore his lack of ANY skill and only look at his amazing athleticism and hope for great potential.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:33 PM) Deng is a decent rebounder and not much else. He doesn't do anything dynamically. Deng is never going to start a run for you, defensively or offensively. He'll give you his 17ppg and 6rpg and that's it. You could never really expect much more. Now the question at hand is that worth potentially up to 80 million to you? Not to me. I wouldn't mind Gordon getting paid as much as Deng because I think they're equally as important. Thing is, I don't think either are worth at least 71 million dollars a year. Neither are that good, but Gordon is just as good and just as important as Deng. I'm pretty sure Luol is a top 5 rebounder in the league as a SF if he would have qualified. We should only expect 17 and 6 out of him? I guess we can throw out the 19 and 7 season he had in 06/07? I guess it's too much to ask of him to develop into a guy who can give you 22 and 8? Come on...

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:30 PM) I love his world. Hopefully it's pax's world too. Then you love inconsistency, athleticism, bad defense, and headaches as well.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:23 PM) I think in all honesty, this is our best hope. I wish we could trade Hughes and Gooden for a bunch of capspace so we could avoid the cap. In a perfect world PG-Rose/Hinrich SG-Gordon/Hinrich SF-Deng/Selfolosha PF-Thomas/Nocioni C-Noah/Gooden I know that won't happen, but I wish it would. If that's your perfect world, ie Tyrus and Gordon both starting, then I don't like your world at all.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:19 PM) You may have confused him with Hinrich. I agree that Hinrich over dribbles the ball, but he doesn't dribble it and jack up 3's. How many times has Gordon stood at the top of the arc in a game winning/tying situation, crossed over 4 times, pump faked 7 times only to get the ball stolen/blocked resulting in an easy layup on the other end sealing a Bulls loss. He's AWESOME in the 4th quarter unless it's the final shot. He forces it way too much knowing he can't create a shot on his own. The only game winning shot I ever making him remember was the floater against the Knicks like 3 seasons ago.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 10:18 PM) why would the A's want Cabrera? He's going to be an un-restricted FA and the A's are waaay out of the playoff hunt. Doesnt make sense to me unless there is a 3 team deal in the works.... Compensation picks...