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QUOTE(Wong & Owens @ Jan 6, 2006 -> 12:33 PM) http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060105/od_uk_...HBhBHNlYwM5NjQ- That's just stupid. Jesus exists. He cuts my lawn and does my gardening. I think Sanchez is his last name.

Good job topping the list. . . ya bunch of fatties!! http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=1477953

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 6, 2006 -> 08:40 AM) I was looking at some murder stats and it seems plus or minus 18,000 people are murdered each year in America. How about publishing that story like they do the Iraq totals? That works out to about 50 per day. They do, or at least the TV news does. Every year usually during sweeps week down here. I'm remain alarmed at the high murder rates in this country, regardless of what is happening in our war efforts. But most of the country is desensitiezed to the trickle accumulation of murder victims, it's true. But iimagine if we had a single bombing incident here that killed 100 or so people, like we had this week in Iraq. Of cours that is going to rise up to overshadow all the background murders in the news. So to, I believe heavy coverage of such incidents in Iraq is warranted. I think comparing those incidents to the background level murder rates is apples and oranges, even if at the end of the year the totals are identical.

While modern understanding of plate tectonics has debunked a lot of the classical 'land bridge' theories of dispersal, adaptive ratiation and speciation, sea level change land a number of land bridge migrations as proposed here do seem reasonable in the case of cat family evolution. I particularly like the author of this summary noting that the house cat has to be considered the evolutionary success story of the family and lions and tigers be damned. How the hell did they con humans into doing all the heavy lifting for them anyway? Cool stuff. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/06/science/06cats.html?hp

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 6, 2006 -> 08:25 AM) Well I guess Pat Robertson doesn't buy into John Calvin OR the New Testament, huh? Damn would I like to be there for his judgement... Well, I think at least we know where he'll be for the after party. Gonna be a HOT ONE I bet.

I don't know, but I was at work all day so it wasn't me. On a more serious note, it came to almost 200 people killed this week in Iraq.

QUOTE(Spiff @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 06:23 PM) People try to put me d-dowwwwwwwwwn Just because I hear no sound I Can See For Miles and Miles. . . But I Can't Hear For s***.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 11:59 PM) As I was reading both those articles, I realized I can't relate to such stupidity and hate. Especially the hate. I remember having some respect a long time ago for Robertson, at this point, he's one of the bigger idiots around. You are right. As a teenager catching a bit of him on the 700 Club flipping through channels, he never seemed quite this unhinged to me either. I think it was the hair.

From the American Idle Citypages blog:

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 04:51 PM) Ever want to see what a stack of 160,000 FOIA requests looks like? Mine is in there somewhere.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 03:59 PM) But heck, considering Kenny Jones replaced Moon, there is no way I could ever HATE The Who. You love those Faces, dontcha? Me too.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:53 PM) James Moore, the guy who wrote the book "Bush's Brain" about Karl Rove, has apparantely been on our nation's no-fly list for over a year now. He can't get off, and no one will tell him why he's on it. But Bill Clinton had all his opponents audited! Yes, I sure wonder how he got on the list. Oh, wait. No I don't. If you can't jail or kill people for speaking their minds, I guess you can still inconvenience the s*** out of them by not lettting them travel freely in their own country anymore.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:18 PM) Being a married woman in many parts of Africa is a death sentence... but it's not because of the Catholic Church. OK, WC, you added this while I was addressing the same topic. And I stand in part corrected, in that you do understand that the unfaithful husband can infect a faithful spouse through no faultt of her own. I disagree with your complete exhonoration of teh Church however. Women can use barrier protections that the husbands don't even need to know about, but that is against Catholic teaching. So standing by an archaic prohibition against birth control seems to be more important to the Church than the healths and lives of the women in this case.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) You know I wouldn't be laughing at that. But that is the current subject of this conversation, and you stated that the lack of help the victims (the meek) got from fellow Catholics was somehow humorous. And my point in alluding to the central tenet of the faith (That which you do unto the least of My brothers you do unto Me) was to underscore how corrupt and off-mission the institution has become. The least of your brothers and sisters have been repeatedly sexually abused by the very people who are supposed to protect and guide them through this hard world. The least of your brothers and sisters have been accused of fabricating stories when they come forward. And there is the crux of the matter. Is the quiet "outrage" of the Catholic membership over these atrocities an approprate response now that the matter has been exposed. LCR doesn't believe so. Obviously, though, lots of Catholics think so. It is no longer my place to do much about it, other than voice my opinion when the discussion comes up. I chose to leave the hypocracy rather than remaining a part of it. Without wanting to start an entirely new argument, LCR's contention that the Vatican capitulated to and appeased the emerging Nazi Party is 100% historically accurate. And I'll not go so far as a systematic Catholic genocide-by-AIDS campaign, but I agree that the Church in its intractability regarding birth control is complicit in the spread of the disease in Africa. I don't recall if it was you or WC who basically said, 'well, if they were good faithful Catholic spouses it wouldn't be an issue.' But that completely ignores the reality that the acts of an adulterous husband can lead to the wife getting infected even if she is 100% faithful. If the Church fails to allow her to protect herself (realistically she cannot withhold sex from the husband who can rape her at will), they are complicit in her contracting the virus if she obeys the Church teachings.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:58 PM) No need. It's been alluded to throughout. I'm still laughing at the idea that those is need "sure haven't gotten much help from their fellow Catholics." In the context of my contribution to this thread, that is obviously a specific reference to the sexually abused victims. Truly the meek, without a voice. Made to keep quiet about the abuse, not believed by many parents and pastors when they do come forward, and pretty much marred for life. And all the while the Church let it happen through willfullness or blissful ignorance (real or feigned). And if that is a laughing matter to you, then by all means laugh yourself silly.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:54 PM) You make some good points, but obvious it's that LCR wasn't really trying to point out the difference. To the contrary, he didn't care if he stepped on the toes of a billion+ Catholics with his comments. And when he calls the members of the Catholic Church "hypocrites" and "fascists," that includes my priest. And I take offense to that. 1 Billion?!? Holy Crap! Look at them, bloody Catholics, filling the bloody world up with bloody people they can't afford to bloody feed.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:42 PM) JTA News. It sure seems like God is giving the Iran whackjob and our own American whackjob conflicting marching orders.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:41 PM) Stop making fun of me because I have a cold. Not to worry. You, at least, will get better.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:37 PM) Yeah, I've never heard of the Catholic Church ever helping those in need either... :headshake Quite a warped sense of truth around here... I take it you are still combing the thread for the post arguing that Catholics who hold respect for the Church are in favor of molestation and rape?

Rueters is still reporting he has brain and heart functions, so is not clinically vegetative. The Iranian whackjob president is the only one I've seen who has publicly stated he is dead. Of course he did it in a very colorful way: http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/arti...hp?storyid=5165

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:06 PM) The institution of the Catholic Church symbolizes faith to many people. Are you really not seeing the connection? The institution is the concrete form...Catholics obviously are going to hold deep feelings for the Church. Millions mourned the death of the Pope, for example... So when someone refers to leaders of a faith as "f***ing hypocritical bastards," isn't it logical that people are going to find that offensive? I really don't give a s*** if you're a pretentious moron who thinks that way...I was just expecting a little bit more decency and common courtesy. And the counterargument that Catholics who hold respect for the Church are in favor of molestation and rape is f***in' ridiculous... My assumption is that your are not targeting YAS with this, as he was only acting as an interpreter for us few pretentious morons. When someone refers to leaders of a faith as "f***ing hypocritical bastards," those who take umbrage logically do not see any hypocrasy in the Church leaders. If this is the case than the flock deserves the leaders it has and vice-versa. As far as a "counterargument that Catholics who hold respect for the Church are in favor of molestation and rape" . . . Did I miss somebody actually espousing this opinion in this thread? If so, please show me that. My hope, of course, would be that that Catholics who hold respect for the Church would take vocal issue with what so many priests have been doing to the least of their brothers for decades now. It's a good thing the meek are inheriting the Earth, because they sure haven't gotten much help from their fellow Catholics.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:45 PM) so as long as I don't name names, I can say.... I hate homosexuals and their abhorrant anal sex. If you want a quick ticket to hell, your best bet is to suck down on some dudes dong and write a children's book called "you're different and that's super". If I'm wrong, please let me know. I'm trying to find the line. People from certain sectors of society say precisely that sort of thing all the time, and I consider such people in general to be mouthbreathers. I've expressed a loathing for serial-rapist pedophiles and those aspects of the formal institution that has provided them with protection. I'd venture that most people share my loathing. On the other hand, your baited hypothetical questions the morality of homosexual behavior, which, thankfully, fewer and fewer people openly do if they want to be taken seriously by the American mainstream. I contend that homosexuals do not deserve to be despised because of their acts, while serial child molesters and their enablers deserve to be despised for theirs. Are we in agreement on this?

QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 11:39 AM) Maybe you're right, but apparently more than one person was offended personally. I'm not a "rapist apologist". I am deeply offended by the actions of the church in some of these cases, but I am also offended by someone saying: If you want to f*** kids join the preisthood. All priests are not pedophiles. It's a stereotypical statement that wouldn't fly in any other case and IMO shouldn't fly here - Fillibuster or not. I'm going to try to shut up after trying to again to explain what I still contend is a statement derived from fact and logic. I'm well aware that not all priests are pedophilles, and my statement didn't say they were. It did say that aspiring pedophiles could expect to receive a tremendous amount of hush-hush help and protection from prosecution courtesy of the corrupt institution of the Church if they were to enter the priesthood. Ergo, 'If you want to f*** kids join the preisthood' seems to me to be a logically founded statement. I think that all of this blowing up on the Church now is terribly painful and should (rightly) rock the institution at its very foundation. The end result of all the lawsuits and exposing the depths of scandal and corruption will hopefully be that the Vatican comes to understand that going back to 'business as usual' once the dust clears is not an option and will not be tolerated.

YAS has hit it on the head.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 11:03 AM) I wonder what the response from the left would've been if I had labeled the Democratic Party as "aiders and abetters of homicide" because they "coddled" Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. Oh, there'd have been a mighty rightious outrage I'm sure.