FlaSoxxJim

You know what I hate. Illinois Nazis

QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 10:06 AM) If there wasn't a "line", then I stand corrected and will keep my disdaine to myself. But, if you want my opinion there should be a line as I said in my other post. You know me, Mike. I'm not one to get into these heated arguments too often. I'm not one to start a thread like the two I've started the last couple days. But, this really burns me up. It's blantant disrespect for someone's religion and faith - NOT a debate. It's stereotypical bulls***. Again, I can't get away with that when it comes to race or sexual orientation. It's the same thing. I think there are obviously still lines in place, or the thread would not have been closed prior to Apu's blatant power-drunk stealth post. I think the personal attack rules still hold, and I think the guidelines regarding attacks on personal sensabilities is what has been loosened up in Flii-SLAP. I made a point of saying toward the beginning of my offending post that my beef is not with the rank and file lay Catholic practicioners, other than the fact that I'd like to see more of 'em grow a pair and openly criticize the Church leadership more. Even in suggesting that the Roman Catholic priesthood seemed a safer bet for an aspiring pedophile than other available avenues, I don't believe I'm showing 'blantant disrespect for the religion and faith.' Rather, I'm expressing my loathing for the individuals who commit these acts and the institutional culture that has aided and abbeted it.

Yeah, I'm a jerk. But don't knock the progress I've made as a recovering Catholic. Twenty years guilt free, but every day is a struggle.

Quick updates on a couple of developing story line: - The FISA court justices will get a briefing on the domestic surveilance program on Monday, as per last week's request from Jusge Kollar-Kotelly who happened to be the presiding Judge who was informed of the activities: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6010401864.html - To coincide with the release of his book this week, NYT domestic spying story co-author James Risin was on the Today Show yesterday. He noted that this isn't a single whistleblower, but at least a dozen career NSA types who spent years in the system playing by a set of rules that stressed first and foremost that you needed to obtain warrants to engage in domestic spying who were all of a sudden ordered to forgo their obligations to uphold the law. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/03/pure-whistleblower/ - Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee told President Bush Wednesday that the White House broke the law by withholding information from the full congressional oversight committees about a new domestic surveillance program. Using the definition of "covert act" from the National Security Act, she is correct. - A MSNBC online news story yesterday contained allegations that CNN's Christiane Amanpour has been a target of the domestic surveilance program, but they pulled key portions of the story once this aspect of the story got some legs. It will be interesting to watch this one develop. MSNBC's statement: - A Washington Times story reminds us that at least one of the NSA whistleblowers has asked to testify before Congress: http://washingtontimes.com/national/200601...14052-6606r.htm

QUOTE(juddling @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 03:00 AM) The actor went on to the show "Angel" where he was for a few years, but he died of a drug overdose a few years ago. Not sure what the Rosanne writers did with the character. Ding Ding! I knew Glen Quinn went on to play the half-demon Doyle in the first season of Angel because that stupid show and Bufft were guilty pleasures of mine. Until a couple of weeks ago, though, I had no idea he OD'd, and it happened back in 2002.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:09 AM) I think most of us have been around long enough to know you're not really an asshole. Well, not a huuuuuuuge asshole at least

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 02:01 AM) I don't want you to be tossed, for the record. And also on the record, I got tossed for much, much less. Your post reflected you weren't looking for me to get a suspension, s'all good. If I get a suspension, still s'all good. I think I posted something that is vulgar likely to offend the sensibilities of some readers, and to impugn aspects of their chosen faith. The post was intended to do both. I don't believe that rises to the level of a suspendable offense, but it probably makes me an asshole in the estimation of some. I can live with that.

Oh, yeah. PA, what about these enabling Church superiors? Think they might be a teensy bit "ofensive to the doctrine and belief of Catholicism" too?

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:47 AM) NAMBLA, ACLU, Hollywood, Marcus Borg and the Jesus Seminar Douche bags, etc... your language is what was offensive to the doctrine and belief of Catholicism and completely ridiculous on every level. Now who is being ridiculous? NAMBLA has the reach and the resources to enable and shield pedophiles on the same level as the Church of Rome? And my language was indeed vulgar. I will choose leave it there, and it will probably be deleted and I'll probably get a well-deserved time out. If I talk about priests f***ing kids I'll get tossed, but ironically the priests doing the kid-f***ing never got tossed by their superiors who chose instead to protect them and suppres tthe truth.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:39 AM) You don't just stop following a belief because some people f***ed up. If someone in the Church does something bad, I don't just walk away from my faith. Which I understand and respect, even if I don't agree. If the Episcopalians are willing to schism over gay ministers, I would hope that Roman Catholics of Conscience would seriously consider a formal break with the Vatican. I don't believe it will ever happen, and for that the flock will remain saddled with/haunted by the sins of the father(s).

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:31 AM) Jim, if I didn't like you otherwise, I ask for you to be banned for a week. Before this post, I had flirted with being a dickhead at times, but thanks for showing me what real Jackassery is all about. This is the worst thing I've ever read here at soxtalk. I'll forward my post to the Admins and will willingly take the banning as they see fit. In the meantime, prove me wrong by citing another institution – ANY OTHER INSTITUTION – that is as globally positioned and that not only allows known pediphiles to continue service, but actually helps them hide their secrets and shuffles them around when the community gets wise to them. If you cannot, then I believe my comment is valid, if inflamatory.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:23 AM) Please show me where this was done on this board. It's been done throughout this thread, everytime somebody suggests we should confine our outrage to the 4,050 accused priests and leave the rest of the Church out of it. It takes an amoral, corrupt Church leadership to protect these individuals and to repeatedly reassign them to unknowing new parishes. It also abviously required a lot of lay members to hide their heads in the sand for decades when these allegations popped up, rather than taking church leaders to task over it or leaving the faith in protest.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 01:04 AM) Do you really think that the "Catholic Church apparatus" is any different than the "Catholic Church"? I do. My parents are devout Roman Catholics and are good people. I think the same is generally true about most of the rank and file practicing Catholics. Any priest in a leadership role within the Chuch apparatus who either turned a blined eye or, worse, actively worked to hide the CRIMINAL acts of their fellow priests is criminally negligent and not someone I'd consider to be a moral person.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:44 AM) I love how people see someone attack a church apparatus and think of it as a direct attack on their faith. On the whole has the Catholic Church apparatus done more good than bad? Probably. But that doesn't make the Church apparatus any less culpable or anymore excusable for actions that it has taken over the last fifty years. Using the Eucharist as a political tool is contrary to my faith's beliefs. Sadly, I agree with LCR. I think my faith and my religion got separated somewhere along the way. Maybe its because the current pope once said that people like me don't deserve human rights while he was a Cardinal. Or maybe its because I grew up with a Diocese that was more concerned with fundraising than doing the right thing. I don't as an indictment of Catholics. I see this as an indictment of the church apparatus. And there's a big difference. Good to see some Catholics still can think for themselves and not rush to defend the atrocities of the Roman Catholic Church merely because it is the Roman Catholic Church, their Roman Catholic Church. It's easy for the Church apologists to say, 'blame the rapists but don't condemn the entire Church,' but when it is the Church leadership at the very highest levels that has protected the rapists by reassigning them to new parishes and unwary fresh victims, I find that to be a wholly indefensible position. (btw, I'm not condemning the rank and file churchmembers for anything other than being too weak to stand up to the fatally corrupt Church leadership. My beef on this issue is with the ordained pedophiles and the leadership that has enabled them through willful, forced suppression of the truth) Compare the secret reassignments and cover-ups of the last 40 years – in which the parishoners upon which pedophile priests are thrown are told NOTHING about the past crimes – to the situation of those poor shmuck child rapists not fortunate enough to be in the priesthood. It's sure easy enough to find out when one of those guys land in your neighborhood (and I'm not saying that is wrong). But if some other sick f*** known to have done the same sick, CRIMINAL s*** happens to have bulls***ted his way into the priesthood, then they have their very own Rapist Relocation Program. Bottom line for the last 4 decades, if you wanna f*** kids your best bet is to study up on that catechism. I grew up in a staunch Roman Catholic family, even briefly considering seminary (strange but true), but I'm happy to say I've made a full recovery.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Jan 5, 2006 -> 12:16 AM) Finally, somebody with some sensibility. Strange, I didn't peg you as a Heineken guy.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 10:49 AM) great show. The first two seasons are on DVD with extra features. They're 150% worth renting/buying. The humor is tailor made for PA. I love the Re-Run from What's Happening? epidsode. Elliot (Sarah Chalke) is the oldest daughter on Rosanne, which was weird. The hospital lawyer, Janitor, Lavern the black nurse, and "the Todd" make this show awesome. Technically, Sarah Chalke was the "second" oldest daughter on Roseanne, as she pla yed Becky Conner-Healy #2 starting in 1993 when Becky Conner-Healy #1 (Lecy Goranson) left, and then inermittently thereafter when Becky Conner-Healy #1 came back in 1995. Kind of the Dick York/Dick Sargent deal for the 80s/90's I guess. I very much like Scrubs, and thought the second seasoon was the strongest. Garden State, of course, took my appreciation for Zach Braff to a new level. Edit: In finishing reading the thread I see both Kyle and Rex had already cleared up the Becky Issue. Rats. OK, smarties, what happened to The guy Becky's husband Mark after the show ended?

Love the Who, always have, and proud to say it. The kid-porn infatuated Mr. Townsend creeps me the hell out though. I haven't bothered to read the linked piece, but I remember an article from the early 80s in which Pete talks abouut already losing significant hearing from years of playing in front of a wall of amps without any earplugs. Ted Nugent was another one interviewed for the piece who was losing hearing and had taken to wearing protection. On that subject, now Mr. Nugent. . . there's a guy I never developed a taste for (Amboy Dukes notwithstanding).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 12:55 PM) MSNBC's Chris Matthews and Fox News's Brit Hume and Tony Snow were all tapped to serve at a fundraiser for one of Abramoff's shady charities. Link 1 Link 2. And only 1% of the money raised actually went to the charity. Talk about overhead. . .

And to think, it might have been one jilted ex-fiance that started the whole thing crumbling down. Scanlon Screwed the Pooch - and a bunch of Congresspeople too.

Wow!! I had held out almost no hope from the outset. That is unbelievable great news.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 01:26 AM) he only said bs because he is a dog lover and cat hater.... its ok when your lying on the floor in need of help im sure your dog will lick your face to make you feel all better Or wait until you are dead and EAT YOU. Mary Provost, anyone? She never meant that much to me But now I see Oh poor Mary

Then again, when a mining operation gets slapped with a couple-thousand dollar wristslap for potentially deadly safety and workplace violations, there are some who think some more heavy-handed government regulation might just be in order. If the government thinks it's important enough that the FCC fines radio stations $27,500 each time a jock drops the F-bomb, I'd hope they'd see fit to fine a mining company more than a couple hundred dollars for a life-threatening safety violation. But that's just me.

NPR yesterday also said there were 9 different roof collapse events in that mine in 2005. Talk about an accident waiting to happen, and the insignificant wrist slaps they got for all those violations.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 3, 2006 -> 12:41 PM) Non-liberal cats? Absolutely. They are all vying for dictatorial powers within the household.