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QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) No, they are paying one million this year and two million next year. We got $3 mil with Contreras, he's making $8.5 mil this yr and next. The $3 mil was to offset the rest of '04(500k) and this yr to bring his salary down to $6 mil($2.5 mil). We are on the hook for all of '06 for $8.5 mil. This btw was KW's 2nd worst trade.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 08:53 PM) Again, Contreras is only 6 million and not 8 million. Yankees are picking up some of his contract. I believe the Yanks only picked up 2 mil of this yr, we'll owe the full $8 mil next.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 08:21 PM) Vizquel has 3 errors to Uribe's 8, and has turned the same number of DPs (albeit in more innings, but with a different pitching staff). Plus his ZR and Range factor numbers are basically as good. I don't doubt Uribe has a stronger arm, but overall we wouldn't be hurt defensively with Vizquel in there. As for hitting, good pitching eats up Uribe so I see him as an auto out in the postseason. Vizquel is much more difficult to get out. As for Huff, I was once for him, but now I don't see a position. He's too weak defensively to supplant Crede at 3B, and he's not better than Everett as a lefty backup to Dye, and if Ross Gload comes back and isn't traded, he's not better than Gload as a lefty backup to Konerko. I agree about Huff, would love to have his bat but there's no where to put him. QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) The problem is we'd be stuck with Vizquel for two more years after this for $6 mil per. That's money that the Sox could use to retain more valuable pieces like Garland, A.J., Konerko, and Thomas. Uribe is a lot cheaper. Vizquel is definitely a better hitter (he's a bit above his career marks again this year though), but I think the D is about a draw. Plus, the Giants don't really have a need to move him, or Schmidt for that matter. If they're going to try to compete next year when Bonds and Benitez get back, those two guys are key pieces. That's why I'll believe Schmidt gets dealt when I see it. Vizquel is only making $4 mil per(3 yr $12 mil), Uribe will be at $2.5 mil next yr so the difference is only $1.5 mil next yr or less than we're paying Davis and Timo this yr. San Fran would do it as a way of getting younger, cheaper, and better prospects out of us.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 08:04 PM) I think there's a reason KW only offered him 2 years in the offseason. Yea but then Schmidt wasn't part of the package then either.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 07:41 PM) Schmidt is better than El Duque. I don't think you can really argue otherwise. Their ERA is similar, but Herndez's WHIP and BAA are higher, and Schmidt strikes out a lot more guys. That's not the issue though. Hernandez is going to be relagated to the bullpen in the playoffs. It is somewhat important if he is better than Contreras or not, since the 4th starter will have to pitch probably twice. Statistically, this isn't even close. Contreras has a much better ERA, a much better WHIP, a much better BAA, and a decent strikeout rate, although it is lower. The comparison that is really important is whether or not he is better than Garland or Garcia. I'm not even going to bother with those comparisons, because outside of K's it's not really close. Schmidt has shown little this season to convince that he can consistently be better than Garland or Garcia, which is key since we would be cutting their use in the playoffs at least in half. Maybe Schmidt can get back to his old form, maybe he can't. So far since he came back he's got several poor starts and two very good ones in extreme pitchers' parks. I'd really like to see more before we give up anything significant and diminish the value of Garcia or Garland. Contreras will not start ahead of El Duque in the playoffs unless El Duque can't go. EOS. I'm not against this trade but I can definitely understand people being hesitant because there's a risk involved and if you're clearing off the top shelf to get him there's should be no/little risks. The last thing this team needs is for San Fran to do a flip of the Sidney Ponson deal on us.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 07:15 PM) I don't think he's that far off. Not at all, in fact he pitched Sunday

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) Not quite. Uribe '02 RF at SS = 5.24 Vizquel '02 RF at SS = 4.67 Uribe '03 RF at SS = 5.79 Vizquel '03 RF at SS = 5.19 Uribe '04 RF at SS = 5.29 Vizquel '04 RF at SS = 4.31 I think a young Uribe is a better defensive player than an old Vizquel. And a young Crede is better at 3rd than an Alfonso at any age. The difference is in the $$$$ where a Vizquel will only cost us $1.5 mil more than Uribe next yr while Alfonso will cost us $7 mil more than Crede. That's the difference between keeping a Konerko or Thomas or losing both.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:09 PM) Well that makes me feel better. He's got a hell of an arm, and if his injuries have subsided like you said, I'd take a long look at him if the price is right. But I'd still be concerned. The guy has never started 30 games in a season. A.J. Burnett - Stats He's never won over 12 games either. Not sure if his injuries are comparable to Wood's, but his career stats are. Wood has been alot healthier and more dependable than Burnett: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlbpa/players/5982/career In fact, Wood has been alot better period.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) I was just talking to a buddy of mine from San Francisco and there is a trade rumor floating around out there about the White Sox. Again this is a rumor and it came from their local radio, so take it for what it's worth. White Sox get: SP Jason Schmidt 3B Edgardo Alfonzo, on the DL but due to come off of it this week SF Giants get: 3B Joe Crede SP Brandon McCarthy OF Ryan Sweeney SP Sean Tracey The question is would you do it? 3 of our top 10 prospects and our current major league 3B? That is a hell of a lot to give up. Well it's creative, I'll give it that much. Frankly though, I wouldn't trade Crede straight up for Alfonzo and I think BMac, Sweeney, and Tracey is too much for Schmidt so it'd take a different mix than Sweeney and Tracey to consider it.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:47 AM) "Mariners Notebook: Trade talks still swirling" http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/230354_mbok28.html Anyone interested in old man Moyer? Yes, very much so.

So would you trade BMac, Carl, and Viz for Kerry Wood?

Pretty much a sumation article of everything reported the last 3 weeks.

QUOTE(Finkelstein @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 06:51 PM) No, what he is saying is that this series would have been great to win, but you have to keep your eye on the prize. We don't get any rings by beating the Cubs, unless it is in October. Well losses are losses and you don't get any rings for losing either esp. losses at home when playing losers.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 06:24 PM) Let me ask you a question. What would you yourself rather see. Us go 6-0 against the Cubs....... .....or us make it into the playoffs, with no guarantee how far we go..... Are you saying that by losing to the Cubs we now are in the playoffs?

Well I'm in no meltdown mode but I've gotta say that being shutout 8 straight innings by this scrub BP is absolutely f***ing pathetic.

I would be absolutely shocked if the O's traded Cabrera. The Marlins are still looking to win now so you can't go in there with a handful of prospects to deal. They may have interest in Carl as that LH OFer or they may be willing to take an Anderson if you also threw in Timo with him. I'm sure they'd ask for Marte or Cotts but it would have to be Viz or Shingo. KW could also bring in a 3rd team to supply the OFer. Lilly has given up 4 or more runs in 9 of his 15 starts this season, that's a loser with our O. Moyer has given up 3 or less runs in 10 of his 14 starts this yr, that's a winner with our team. Guardado has had the partial tear all yr and yet is still 19 of 21 in saves with a 1.67 era, yes he's a risk but you could go with a dual closer role for him and Hermy and keep them both under 30 IP the rest of the season while bringing in a sub 2 pitcher almost every 9th and have them both fresh for the playoffs.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 06:42 PM) Just looking at the last 2 years, you missed St. Louis acquiring Larry Walker and Boston trading Nomar for Cabrera. From 2003, you've mentioned the Urbina trade (which was huge) but should also remember the Yankees trading for Aaron Boone (who was, at least at that time, a big name). As I said, the best pitching pickups. I'm not so sure that Walker wasn't overkill or that Boston couldn't have won with Nomar, I would actually say that getting Dave Roberts was bigger for them. The biggest non-pitching pickup by a WS team in the last 10 yrs? Dave Justice by the Yanks in 2000 by a long shot, but then that was a pretty mediocre team to begin with.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 06:26 PM) Well Randy Johnson was phenomenal for the Astros and sometiems you have to take a shot at the World Series, and coming up short doesn't necessarily mean you were wrong for trying. Sure he pitch well and he helped them get to the playoffs in a tight race but he wasn't the difference in them making it to the WS and the reason for emptying the farm for a Schmidt is to get to the WS right? In fact, when SF traded for Schmidt at the deadline he was awesome going 7-1 down the stretch for them but it wasn't even enough to get them in the playoffs.

I had an interesting look thru the transactions of WS participants in the last ten yrs, the first thing that pops out at you is the lack of trades by these teams in June-Aug of that yr. The best pitching pickups? Urbina in '03 for the Marlins and Ken Hill for the Tribe in '95. The only other two worth mention is Dave Weathers for the Mets '00 and Leskanic for the Red Sox in '04, both of those only really contibuted during the playoffs. There are however some nice snafu's by teams who didn't make it to the WS with '98 being the ultimate yr with Houston trading Garcia, Guillen, and Halama for 2 months of RJ, The scrubs Garland for Karchner, and the Tribe trading Shawon Dunston and Jose Mesa for Steve Reed. Other ones, A's trade Carlos Pena, German, and Jeremy Bonderman for Ted Lilly, '99 Mets trade Issy and McMichael for Billy Taylor, '99 DBacks trade Nunez, Nunez, and Penny for Mantei, and finally maybe the all-time worst pitching trade spree the '97 Mariners who traded Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek for Heathcliff Slocumb, Jose Cruz Jr for Mike Timlin, and Joe Mays for Roberto Kelley. The M's btw lost 3-1 in the ALDS to the O's.

Or is it his sudden drop in velocity? Or both? Be very wary when you're ready to give up the farm for guys with unexplained velocity drops. Koch

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 24, 2005 -> 05:55 PM) When considering ESPN the Magazine you have to look at road attendance. It's a national magazine after all. Marlins #4 33,678/gm vs White Sox #24 26,955/gm Though we are 4.5 gms up on STL they have a better RBI differential than us in both RON & CL&L sits. I think you could make the argument they are a better team than our White Sox but lady luck is on our side this year. Hopefully the White Sox home attendance will weaken the upper deck theory. I'm curious as to what the fans sitting up there on a regular basis think of it now. Can we get past the steep slope so that next year we can avg 30K+/gm? I don't think it will take winning a WS to get there. We just have to win the ALCS. Pittsburgh 32,068/gm vs St Louis 28,080/gm. I take it by your analysis that the Pirates will be gracing the cover tommorrow. It's a national magazine after all.

Not sure why attendance is an issue, we still have 10 of our 11 traditional big attendance games left to play and those are looking like they'll be sellouts or near sellouts. We also have a 4th of July game this yr which has always been a sellout/near sellout and Elvis night that for whatever reason is always a near sellout. Add to it 2 big series with the twinks which will avg around 36-37k per, a big weekend series with the A's going into AS break with 2 fireworks nights and a kids day that'll have a min of 34k per and finally a 4 game Tribe series in Sept that each one could be the clincher(and thus will soon start to get big pre-sales for). That's 25 games or almost a third of our games that we'll still end up averaging around 36-37k for. Add to that partial season ticket sales by people and scalpers wanting to lineup postseason tickets(and thus filling out some of the other games) and we're looking at a season avg of just under 30k or about 2.45 mil(that's a 500k increase). Hell, it wouldn't even surprise me if we end up with more.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jun 24, 2005 -> 03:02 PM) The Sox can let Schmidt go at the end of the season (team option). That's really not a problem. Yea gut the farm system for a 2 month rental, that's a smart move.

Btw, was going to mention that James Baldwin was also pitching that night but it's just so hard to get your humor going this early in the morning.

Where did this rumor come from? If you're going to post that someone is available then a quote or a link would be appreciated. If you're just pulling it out of your ass then say so and we can discount it for what it is.