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QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 12:51 PM) I think this raises a much larger issue. In my mind, the White Sox have exactly a three year window, including last year, to compete for the World Series. I'd like to see them do everything possible to win those three World Series, even if it means 2008 is a 60 win campaign. While I respect your opinion Greg, I disagree. True we do have a 3 year window, with our current rotation and roster, but I truly believe with this GM/FO, manager and ownership the sox will do what the yankees of the late 90's failed to do. Now someone reading this thread would say "but beautox what did they fail to do? they had a dynasty and have made the post season time and time again" and i would reply with, "while this is true, they got older and foolish; just because you have over 100million in payroll doesn't mean you have to be foolish with it". That my fellow soxtalk posters is where this FO and the yankees differ greatly. At the start of spring training this season KW was on comcast sportsnet with DJ saying how the white sox have adopted the braves philosophy of bringing in their young talent when viable. In the past that wouldn't have appeared true seeing how KW seemed to give away the farm. But now 1917 is just another championship banner hanging on the south side, and instant gratification is over for white sox fans and longevity is here to stay, so long as this current setup remains intact. Kenny has a knack for picking players up while they're down and turning seemingly busts into gold. Lets keep that in mind along with the fact from now until '09 and after 4/6ths of our rotation are locked up, along with the fact Broadway/Phillips/McCulloch/Lumsden will be knocking on the door real soon. That and we will have 3 more drafts coming(i'd love to see the white sox draft a catcher in the first round). Now someone like Flash would say we should draft more throwers and stop drafting soft tossers, and while im inclineded to agree in princible, i also understand the low risk/reward of drafting soft tossers(#3 starters) league average and medicority is alot easier to live with and trade than busts(kerry wood / mark prior).

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 11:34 PM) I should also say that if the hypothetical Kevin Youkilis fell right into our laps -- ie, the "unusual" leadoff man who isn't fast, but has a real high OBP -- I'd take him as our leadoff man in a heartbeat. I agree, stealing bases has its place in baseball esp for a leadoff man, but i'd much prefer to have someone like Kevin atop our lineup with the likes of iguchi(i think its great that he sacrifices himself so much but i'd love to keep the bat in his hands, we've all seen what he can do with it)/thome/konerko/dye coming up behind him. We don't need a constant base stealer i think we just need someone like Chris Denorfia(note: this is the 100th time i've brought his name up, and hes currently in my sig along with Ryan Wagner). I'd love for KW to trade Augstin Montero/Cliff Politte + Charlie Haeger for Chris Denorfia & Ryan Wagner. I think Hermanson will be back real soon and he will shore up the final spot in our bullpen.

haeger getting that fastball over, smart boy lol QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 06:22 PM) KEEP AN EYE ON: Heath Phillips....carrying a 1.90 ERA or so for Charlotte....could be a future BP arm or at least trade bait....draws comparisons to a large Buehrle. yeah i was reading cheats blog saying that hes either going to be mlb pitcher or a AAAA lifer, whats the deal?

Haeger looking good through one

f*** you NL

it will be Dye, and then the GIDP brothers (Tejada & Konerko)

unless your pete rose.

kevin youkillis > you

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 07:42 PM) So had the all star break come on July 1st, just 10 days ago, when Mark had a 3.22 ERA, would you have said he was having a "wonderful" year thus far? I'm sorry, but when each game only counts as 1, no matter how bad or how good, I'll take Mark's performance overall this first half. There is a difference between someone that pitches to a 4 ERA all year and one who is outstanding outside of a few rare starts. Mark has been the latter. a few? hes had 18 starts, 5 of which sucked, thats not a few.

full count come on Ichiro!

O-E-O Ichi-RO

lol, do you think they'll find Bernie Mac or the voice of moe from the simpsons in the crowd?

also i love how fox cross markets american idol and the all star game, brilliant.

thats a hacktastic dress carrie underwood is wearing.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 07:22 PM) Was it just me or did Ozzie just get booed during the announcements? lol it was like 60% cheer 40% jeer.

like i said its wasn't just one start its been 5, and i said he hasnt been BAD just maso menos, i expect more from MB, sorry you forgot to take off your homer glasses when looking at his stats for this season thus far.

and its not like i said he was "bad" i said he was mediocre.

MAY 30 @CLE 0 1 2.89 0 6.0 8 4 1 3 JUN 04 TEX 0 1 3.31 0 7.0 9 6 4 3 JUN 21 STL 1 0 3.27 0 7.0 10 4 0 5 JUL 02 @CHC 0 1 3.86 0 5.0 13 10 0 4 JUL 07 BOS 0 1 4.02 0 6.1 9 5 0 3 its been more than one, more like five.

well that guy just blew 1mil shot.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 06:06 PM) I doubt they make the playoffs with the pitching they've got, but they won't get past good pitching teams in the playoffs. , the NL is weak they have the best offense in the NL and second only the white/red sox, they could definatly make it in the post season.

a 4.02ERA and 1.32WHIP is mediocre THUS FAR, his career ERA is 3.67 and his career WHIP is 1.24. Don't kid yourself he has been Mediocre for this year thus far for being the staff "ace".

QUOTE(Dan Pasqua @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 04:18 PM) 286 BA, 397 OBP, in the playoffs. Not great but very serviceable. Not to mention one of the biggest home runs in white sox history. Pods led us to our 1st world series title in 88 years as our lead off man and I recognize the fact hes not the best lead off man in the world, but for right now he is playing well enough to deserve some respect from the fans. He is an integral aspect of team chemistry and we have a few glaring needs to improve on. If we are gonna rip Pods then lets rip Mark Buehrle, Fraddy Garcia and Jon Garland. Should we get rid of them? I think not Yes lets, because thats what honest fans of their team do, they look at the facts with out rose colored glasses, and can honestly express an opinion about a player and not be a homer. Mark Buehrle has been mediocre this year, thus far and that we have a potential replacement or a AAAA in Heath Philipps down at AAA(time will tell), Mark is about to get real expensive real soon. Freddy Garcia is older, and has lost some mph on his fast ball, hes not a control pitcher and always has been labeled as a "big game pitcher" which is great when the game is on the line, but far to often he plays to the level of talent hes facing. Jon Garland is a enigma, hes pitched over 1000 innings in the bigs, and is a .500 pitcher, at times when he pitches inside he can be dominate and other times he can be a mental midget and not pitch over mistakes.

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 06:48 AM) The Pods issue is not quite cut and dry like we want it to be though. Everyone on here by now probably knows how harsh I am on Pods, and for IMO good reason. But the fact is this:to replace Pods' shoddy defense in LF, you have to not only get a solid defending LFer, but you also HAVE to get one that can hit leadoff for you. Look up and down our order, there is not 1 guy who could even pretend to fill the role as "Leadoff Hitter"....and don't tell me "Iguchi" because we all know better than that, and hes the closest to a fit there is. With that said, its alot harder to go out on the market telling yourself as a GM "OK, I need to find this team a LFer that can play pretty good defense, AND who has the mentality and ability to leadoff for my team. Someone who will take his share of pitches, sacrifice himself to move runners over, not get flyball greedy." KW has his work cutout for him, and no, Josh Fields is not the answer with our current roster setup. Chris Denorfia is though, deal Politte + Redding/Montero/Logan or Haeger/Phillips to the Reds and were golden. Denorfia's ceiling has been established he will be 26 in 5 days. Hes an on base machine and his maso menos pop, and hes better at stealing a bag than Kevin Youkillis, he projects to be a lead off man. The Reds already has all 3 OF positions filled and a lead off hitter in Freely, its pretty apparent he doesn't fit into their plans at this juncture. The reds haven't been to the post season since '96 and haven't delivered since building the great American ball park in '03, they need BP/SP help now. The White Sox offense this year and for prolly the next 2-3 years appears to be a station to station offense, OBP and defense are huge and Denorfia appears to be able to steal a base when needed(14sb/1cs). I think he would be a perfect fit this year and for years to come. He is rated as the reds best defensive outfielder and he doesn't have a podsednik/pierre pie arm. with the addition of Denorfia the white sox would bare a striking similarity to the red sox, only much better defense, and more pop, and better starting pitching *potential, its apparent to everyone on this board outside of Jose the SP has underachieved this year.

My Prediction for the 2006 WS, Chicago White Sox VS. Cincinnati Reds. Rematch of the 1919WS, no alleged fixing this time.

my bad, i apologize i must have read it wrong