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QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 12:00 AM) Also, we have to give props to Verlander. Throwing a no-no, especially this early in his career must be something else for him. But Buerhle's no-no > Verlander's ESPN seems to disagree...but what do they know. http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/bestgames Detroit Tigers Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA J Verlander (W, 7-2) 9.0 0 0 0 4 12 0 112-73 2.79 Totals 9.0 0 0 0 4 12 0 112-73 PITCHING Batters faced: J Verlander 30 Ground Balls-Fly Balls: J Verlander 11-4 Game Scores: J Verlander 95

QUOTE(fathom @ May 24, 2007 -> 02:48 PM) The Tigers 1-5 in their batting order = sensational. Granderson's on pace to have quite the extra base hit line this year. 35-15-25 isn't out of the question. I didn't realize the Tigers had (as of right now) the #1 (35, Maggs) and #2 (30, Granderson) players in MLB in extra base hits.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ May 24, 2007 -> 02:39 PM) Rumor has it he soaks his mane in an androstenedione solution before each game. Steroid laced shampoo?! F'ing brilliant!!!! Knock me off two birds with one stone. Thanks for the heads-up bro. Sincerely, Jason Giambino PS. Any chance you can hook me up with some HGH conditioner? I can't forget about my shine:)

Anyone think Magglio is finally 100% healthy again? .357 BA -- 12 HR's -- 45 RBI Cuz I do.

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Dec 19, 2006 -> 01:12 AM) My comment was more along the lines of the pricing just being totally out of whack, for him, as well as other (Lilly, meche) out there. The Tigers paying Bonderman $12.5 million a year at what would be his first year of free agency following his arbitration years (when he will only be 26 years old) is not only NOT out of whack, it is a veritable bargain for a team like Detroit. To compare his situation and contract to guys like Meche and Lilly is just silly. How much do YOU think a 26 year power righty who registered 200+ IP and 200+ K's and who has proven himself in the playoffs could receive on the open market with the whole league bidding for his services? A whole hell of a lot more than $12.5M per. Well considering that he was only 23 years old this past season I would say that his growth curve is still climbing rather steadily. When do you think power pitchers generally peak? Definitely not in their mid twenties. I'd say their early to mid 30's when their power begins to click down a notch and they're finally forced to become a complete pitcher with a full repetoire of pitches. Obviously there're always exceptions but historically speaking, he's not even close to his prime yet. I mean, the kid is still only using two pitches out there. Wait until he finally trusts his change-up...that'll be when he jumps to the next level. Bonderman's best days are still a few years ahead of him.

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 10:55 PM) One good year = $38 million? Damn, I should have learned how to pitch better. One good year? It's not always the pitcher's fault when they find themselves on horrible teams. Bonderman's numbers and peripherals have improved each and every season that he's been in the majors. Only two pitchers last year had over 200 K's and over 200 IP. Bonderman and Santana...and I believe Jeremy's only 6 months older than Justin Verlander. That was a smart and well-timed extension by the Tigers.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Nov 13, 2006 -> 11:46 PM) Maroth has never lived up to the hype and with a bad elbow I doubt he ever will. but who knows, maybe he can actually field his position. That would be a bonus in that rotation. When did Mike Maroth ever have any "hype"? All I know is that he was having a great season prior to his injury last season.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2006 -> 08:20 PM) A lot of that is going to depend on the health/growth of their rotation. Detroit does have a lot of options at starting pitcher, which lessens the pain somewhat, but they still gave away one of their best backup plans for this season. Especially if injuries or regression hits any of those guys a bit. One of their best backup plans? Backup for what? Definitely not starting pitching. Sanchez was behind the following pitchers on Detroit's "starting pitching" depth chart... Bonderman Verlander Maroth Rogers Robertson Miner Ledezma Miller Colon Tata And he was probably tied with Jair Jurrens.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 11, 2006 -> 01:56 AM) Bookmark'd And so it should be.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 05:28 PM) Sanchez was pretty damn good last year, I think he put up a sub 2 ERA in AA and sub 4 in AAA. I would say that would put him right up there as a top prospect. He was a top prospect but he wasnt THE top prospect. When you take health, age, stuff and projections into account, I would've placed Sanchez as Detroit's #3 pitching prospect. But how much "major league caliber" starting pitching does one organization really need? I count the Tigers having TEN arms that could start for them next season, if need be. If any team had room to trade a couple of quality young arms...it was Detroit without question.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 05:53 PM) but they would have been better off signing a free agent. And they still likely will. After listening to Dombrowski just a bit ago, Detroit isn't done dealing.

QUOTE(tpezz27 @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 04:39 PM) Didn't the Tigers refuse to give up Sanchez for Soriano last year.....could have won them a world series! Now they get an old busted up Sheffield and have him for three years....interesting! If that's all they wanted for Soriano, Dombrowski would have tripped over himself running to the table to sign that deal. But that's not what they wanted. They wanted Sanchez AND Cameron Maybin. lol. Which was a joke. And Sanchez has had chronic health issues for some time. He hasn't had a full healthy season in a few years. He has somewhat of a violent delivery that projects more like that of a plus bullpen guy than of a starter.

This whole story has been SO freaking overblown it's ridiculous. Everyone uses pine-tar.....everyone. Link to article

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 16, 2006 -> 03:14 PM) Not exactly a plus. Verlander has never pitched this much in his life, Zumaya's forearm troubles should be a red flag. Also Todd Jones and Kenny Rogers are just about done with their careers. Throw in a career year by some really overcheiving bullpem guys (Walker, Grilli) and there is some room to regress IMO. Name some young pitchers who prior to their first heavy inning season of their career had previously pitched that much in their life. ALL young pitchers reach a point in their career where it's safe to say, "they have never pitched this much in their life." That's just common sense. It doesn't mean they're due to regress. And while it's true that Todd and Kenny are nearing the end of their careers but that's what everyone was saying prior to the season. Who's to say they each don't have a couple of productive years left in them? Did they show -anything- this year that would suggest they're slowing down? I didn't see anything. Look at both of their "post-All-Star break" numbers. They both turned it on strong in the 2nd half and more importantly down the stretch. There's still good gas left in those tanks for at least one more season and I don't believe that's wishful thinking in the slightest. And I agree that some guys overachieved this year (though not as many and as much as you think) and that some of them may indeed regress but with youth like Verlander, Bonderman, Zumaya, Ledezma, Granderson, Sanchez, Maybin and Miller either on the team or waiting impatiently in the wings...you have to admit that there is some solid room for PROgression as well. You also can't forget that Dombrowski is going to be allowed to open up Illitch's checkbook this offseason. So some of those guys that may indeed regress...who's to say that they won't already be replaced with proven free agents by the start of next season?

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 14, 2006 -> 08:49 PM) They'll regress a lot worse though. The only reason we still won 90 games is we got so much better this offseason (yay Kenny). Dombrowski is a fine GM, but I doubt he'll be able to do as much this offseason as Kenny did last offseason, and even in season getting MacDougal, Riske, etc. They'll regress a lot worse? You do realize that Kenny was able to do a lot in the offseason last year BECAUSE of the fact that the White Sox won the World Series and in turn the organization was blessed with a tremendous windfall of profits. Well Dombrowski will be working with a similar sized pocketbook this offseason. It'll be interesting to watch. Detroit also has the superior pitching staff (and a relatively young one at that) which should help offset any steps they may take back with regards to some of their hitters. They'll also have Maroth coming back who missed just about the entire season this past year. He was their most effective pitcher before he went down with his injury. Detroit also has a few more advanced minor league arms in the form of Miller and Sanchez who will be ready to step into a prominant role in the case of injury. I see Detroit again winning 90+ games next season.

QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Oct 5, 2006 -> 05:13 PM) Todd Jones >>> Zumaya Ya know people get on Todd Jones' case all the time about being a crappy closer but he was injured early in the season and take a look at his ERA since the All Star break...1.80. That's pretty dang good. That said, there's still no way in hell that Jones is better than Zumaya. lol

QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Sep 26, 2006 -> 09:54 AM) the Tigers added an old pitcher in Rogers, and most importantly a major league manager. The Tigers added a lot more than just that. They also added Justin Verlander, Todd Jones and Joel Zumaya. They also didn't have Chris Shelton, Placido Polanco and Curtis Granderson for the first half of the season last year.

Kid looks to be in some trouble now in the 6th. One out walk, followed by a single. Men on first and third...just one out. Soft infield poke...scoring the run. Two out.

Miller is pitching for Detroit tonight in the 5th inning with the game tied 3-3. They just came back from a 45 minute rain delay which knocked Bonderman out of the game. From the looks of things, it appears that he'll be going for more than just an inning or so. His first inning of work...ground out, strike out, line out.

I posted this in another thread, but it seems more apros pos to be in here. The remaining schedules of the three contenders... Detroit: 13 home - ave. win% of those teams - .462 11 away - ave. win% of those teams - .510 Last six games of the season...Tor, Tor, Tor, KC, KC, KC Chicago: 11 home - ave. win% of those teams - .520 14 away - ave. win% of those teams - .540 Last six...@Clev, @Clev, @Clev, @Minn, @Minn, @Minn Minnesota: 14 home - ave. win% of those teams - .534 12 away - ave. win% of those teams - .464 Last six...KC, KC, KC, ChiSox, ChiSox, ChiSox

Who has the inside edge on the AL Central? Here are the remaining schedules of the three contenders... Detroit: 13 home - ave. win% of those teams - .462 11 away - ave. win% of those teams - .510 Last six games of the season...Tor, Tor, Tor, KC, KC, KC Chicago: 11 home - ave. win% of those teams - .520 14 away - ave. win% of those teams - .540 Last six...@Clev, @Clev, @Clev, @Minn, @Minn, @Minn Minnesota: 14 home - ave. win% of those teams - .534 12 away - ave. win% of those teams - .464 Last six...KC, KC, KC, ChiSox, ChiSox, ChiSox

QUOTE(Bonderman38 @ Aug 30, 2006 -> 05:43 PM) It was a verbal agreement, not actually written in his contract. He did well today. As far as I know, only Microline is suggesting that as fact. There is still quite a bit of conjecture regarding that aspect of his contract.

Craig Monroe with a 3 run jack in the top of the 9th. Tigers 5 - Thaaaaaaaa Yankees 3

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 28, 2006 -> 03:00 PM) I hope he sees action against that Yankee lineup. Can't imagine that Leyland would do that to a kid but you gotta believe he's a bit pissed that an unproven rookie and his agent are dictating his roster. Leyland actually seems pretty supportive of the move.

QUOTE(Cuck the Fubs @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 02:43 AM) Does Dave Dombrowski think he's Jim Hendry?? Anyone read his comments in the paper this morning?? He thinks highly of Neifi the way Hendry did. Have you seen the other options that Leyland has in the infield now that Polanco's out? The strikeout happy Omar Infante who is far too error prone in the field for a possible playoff bound club and Ramon Santiago who can field his position fine but couldn't handle a bat if his life depended on it. Rest assured, if and when Placido comes back, Perez won't see the light of day unless there's another injury.