Dick Allen

If Dye was pissed off about the "distraction", its curious why he would be complaining after the guy scored the tying run. I don't think Cabrera is very well liked in the White Sox clubhouse, but if that was what the argument was about, JD is so wrong. Here's a thought JD, if you're distracted and the guy has the base stolen, why not take the pitch?

Thome is so unclutch.

I wonder what distracted JD on strike 3.

This pitcher kind of looks like Carlos Lee.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 09:13 PM) Ok, Dick you got me. Javy and Jose sucked the past 2 nights. They both were never going to be pulled after 2-3 innings. They are gonna go into the sixth. If they can't handle that and keep us in the game, they are worthless pieces of s***. I blame players. Some others blame managers. I've seen Contreras pulled after 2 or 3 innings before. I saw it happen to Buerhle on opening day. Vazquez got lifted in the 5th against the Cubs a couple of weeks ago.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 08:10 PM) Yeah but he went five-plus. Same difference. He's never gonna get yanked in the third. Are we gonna rally and win this game? That would be amazing 2 nights in a row. No its not. You said they go 6 no matter what. Its another false, obnoxious statement.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 07:58 PM) Veteran starters like Jose and Vazzy go six no matter what. But Javy didn't go 6 tonight.

Why does Hawk say Quentin has to protect on an 0-0 count?

That was heartbreaking, but its what happens when you allow a ton of baserunners.

Javy does his best work when his team is comfortably behind in the standings.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 11:00 AM) From what Mully and Hanley made it sound like, Contreras yelled at Ozzie in a meeting and then stormed out of the room after the Ozuna decision was announced, and then refused to talk with Ozzie during the game. I doubt that is true. I also think Ozzie's "f*** Contreras" quote was taken way out of context. If you read the entire quote he's pretty much saying forget how upset about this Contreras is, its bothering me even more. I really think this is so blown out of proportion its sickening, and I usually don't defend Ozzie's mouth.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 10:44 AM) Yes, I know. However, what's off the field needs to stay off the field. Don't bring that baggage with you to the mound. OC didn't let his phone call to the official scorer screw him up. Hell, he's done much better since then. How do you know it affected Contreras' performance? He was upset a friend is gone. So what. Have you ever had a good friend move away? Even if you know its coming, the day it happens kind of sucks.

This is much to do about nothing. They won. Contreras will be fine. The rest of Pablo's friends will be fine. Pablo will be fine. The sun will continue to rise.

Considering Crede's back has hurt for the last 5 or 6 years, I really doubt it has anything to do with the accumulation of errors this season.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 11:40 AM) I understand what you're saying here, but your premise is almost as if there are no more players available to draft. As if they can't just draft another player next season that they will control for 6 years. Certainly LaPorta is well-regarded and more of a certainty at this stage in his career than the player they will draft next June with their first compensation pick, the difference is not that far off. I think Cleveland actually should have gotten more. Its hard to say what other teams would have been offering. Draft picks cost a lot of money for a lot of speculation and projection. Getting minor leaguers who have already been paid and have shown an ability to be good is a lot better than a couple of picks IMO. Plus they shed the $5 or $6 million they were to pay CC for the rest of this year, so they wind up with probably $10 million saved considering Sabathia's salary and signing bonuses and better young players than they would have had with the draft picks. I think its a good deal for Cleveland.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 04:19 AM) He's probably looking for 7 to 8 years, and giving any pitcher that is generally a pretty poor investment. Add to it that the Sox rotation is already among the best in the majors, and I wouldn't even call his agent. I think Zito and in a smaller way, Santana, will make it nearly impossible for CC to get 7 or 8 years.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 01:32 AM) FWIW, the Brewers traded 4 prospects for Sabathia and 2 prospects to be named come next June. Still not a bad deal all around. Milwaukee is going for it. It gets an ace for the rest of the season. Cleveland loses CC but its not going anywhere anyway, loses 2 draft picks, but gains already established minor leaguers who have already been paid their bonuses. With CC's salary and the bonus money they would have to pay, they probably save themselves $10 million and are better off next year.

Bobby Jenks is loving life. Arb-eligible and closers getting 8 figures bodes well for his wealth.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 5, 2008 -> 07:47 PM) just a little update, so far tonight Konerko is 1-2 with a walk. His hit was an RBI double. I hope the time off did his hand well. It would really be a nice addition if Paulie could regain his old stroke. I have a feeling the team is going to have to score more runs to win after the ASB. I can't see the pitching keeping up the current pace.

Hawk is getting nauseating crying about an umpire's correct call. Get off it Hawk. 80% of the non-Yaz, Catfish, Frank Howard, Sam McDowell talk is crying about the umpires.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Jul 5, 2008 -> 04:28 PM) Buehrle's only 8-9 because Uribe was starting in most of those losses. I'm joking. And I realize the bench must play occasionally, but in Uribe's case we need to put strong emphasis on occasionally. Considering he's had only 25 AB since May 15, I would say he only plays occassionally. I wonder who this board will blame when the Sox lose when Uribe is gone. I imagine it will be Thome's fault. Just think, if Uribe and Thome are gone, the Sox should probably go undefeated.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 5, 2008 -> 04:23 PM) Much smaller sample size than the one he showed earlier, and frankly, Mark didn't pitch that well for the first 2 months of the season now did he? Its half the size. He's a pitcher who has more to do with the outcome of a game,probably at least twice as much, than a 2b batting 9th. It was a comment made in jest just to show how ridiculous the comment I was responding to was. If you really think Uribe is the reason the Sox are 17-22 when he plays and would be 5 or 10 games better if Ramirez or Ozuna played instead,.....wow.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Jul 5, 2008 -> 03:56 PM) We are 17-22 in games which Uribe has started. Since we win almost 70% of games he has not started in, I do not want to see much more of him They are also only 8-9 when Mark Buerhle starts. Maybe they should yank him from the rotation. The bench must play occassionally

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 5, 2008 -> 01:34 PM) But it doesnt take that much to prove your health.It takes a game or two especially when it wasnt a major injury.cmon guys. He had an injury to a leg that had him out 3 weeks and he's hardly played since being activated. He's played 2 games in a row. Its not like he's eating everyone's playing time. He's also not the reason the Sox lost the last 2 either.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 5, 2008 -> 02:02 PM) I was relatively curious about that as well, was surprised he was in Winston Salem. Only thing I could think of is that they wanted him to get some confidence before coming back to Charlotte. Although, I do know that he isn't the first Sox minor leaguer to rehab at a lower level, although it is much more typical with pitchers coming back from injuries. The only thing I can think of is roster space.