StrangeSox

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QUOTE (wallyburger @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:34 AM) So your mentors are comedians? That would explain much about what you are espousing. You really don't seem to understand the label " homophobic ". It is exactly what you say it isn't. Yeah, homophobic may literally mean "fear of gays" but that's not how the word is used. Though repressed sexual orientation does seem to be common in the biggest gay-bashers.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) It's not being naive and ignorant. Naive and ignorant would me be saying all gay people are disgusting and need to be shot. My point was that if you're going to discount my opinions because of personal experiences, why can't we discount yours because of lack of experiences? LOL, nothing ignorant there, certainly no problems with gays! They just need a separate water fountain house.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:22 AM) No offense, but I think it's safe to say that you're a little biased and a tad oversensitive about this subject due to your brother. Yeah, I've real-world experience with the s*** he's had to deal with. Even recently by hotel staff at my own wedding. I can just as easily say that it's safe to say you're naive and ignorant about the harm the opinions you're espousing here cause.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:22 AM) That's because you haven't...and while we disagree at times, I don't believe you think of me as a bigot anyway. Absolutely not.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 09:52 AM) I think he means normal in this case in the typical view of society at large via majority acceptance. My point is this -- if I can even put this into words effectively -- it's not only him that thinks a "normal kid" isn't gay/lesbian, because this is a social norm by majority as accepted by society at large. In this regard, people tend to relate societal "norms" as what the majority happen to be, and in this case, that's straight. Which would make non-straights fall in the non-normal category, BUT, that's not to say they're not normal people as individuals, but in relation to society they aren't. ^^ I hope that comes off as I intended it and can be understood. I don't think the bulk of society is anti-gay or anti-lesbian because they regard straight as the norm, and gay/lesbian as something else...it is what it is. I think it's pretty clear, based on his "I'd be sad for the rest of my life and would prefer they keep it in the closet out of 'respect for elders'" that by "normal" he means "good" or "right"

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 09:35 AM) While I don't agree at all with FlySox here....you throwing out a term like bigot is pretty hypocritical. You're pretty intolerant of anyone's opinions that don't conform to your own, especially conservative ones. Opinions are like assholes: everyone's got them. You'll have to demonstrate an instance of me being bigoted or I'll have to ask you to retract that claim. Yes, I often aggressively argue my opinions, that doesn't mean I view all others as illegitimate or bigoted. I butt heads frequently with you, Y2HH, and ss2k5 but I don't think I've called you outright bigots--because you don't post the terrible stuff FlySox is. Yeah, everyone has opinions. But not all opinions are valid or worthwhile. Stormfront's got a lot of people with a lot of opinions and they're all terrible people for holding those opinions. This is just a lame cop-out that fails to distinguish between well-supported and well-reasoned opinions and s***ty ones like "I'd be sad for the rest of my life if my kid was gay and I'd rather he lead a miserable lie of a life so that I could be happier"

QUOTE (FlySox87 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 08:49 PM) Yet you'd probably cry like a little kid if I said your atheism constituted "pretty terrible views" (again, I'm assuming you're an atheist, but hopefully you see what I mean). Why are you judging me when you wouldn't appreciate being judged? Nah, but I do think it's funny that you keep saying "I don't care if you're an atheist" but keep bringing it up about different people. I don't appreciate being unfairly judged. Wanting your child to hide who they are so that you can be happier is a pretty terrible view in most ethics, I would think.

QUOTE (FlySox87 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 08:44 PM) I didn't tell my father that I suffered from depression and almost shot myself in the head because I didn't want to bring shame to him. That's not fear; that's respect for your elders. If my kid's gay, I'd rather he not tell me so I never have to know. It'd be the respectful thing to do. This makes me appreciate my family that much more, knowing I could go to them in a time of need without being judged or shaming them.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 07:55 AM) Democrats refuse to negotiate (and by negotiate we mean give us every single thing we demand, basically our entire party economic platform in one lump sum while getting absolutely nothing back), blame them!

Anonymous hacked into another FBI contractor: http://thenextweb.com/industry/2011/07/08/...t=Google+Reader As well as 90,000 more emails from the US military http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/90000...urce=feedburner Balta, I'm on to you!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 08:31 PM) That is pretty funny after hearing about all of the ways that Obama won't compromise now. Democrats have offered all sorts of spending cuts and the Republican line has remained "absolutely no new revenues" http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein What a bunch of uncompromising socialist bastards.

QUOTE (FlySox87 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 08:38 PM) I wouldn't want a lesbian daughter either. And who are you to tell me how to feel? I'm not gonna judge you for being an atheist (or SoxBadger, if you're not atheist), but you're going to judge me for how I choose to raise my kids? That's pretty arrogant. Whatever dude, you're not going to guilt trip me for wanting a normal kid. I'm telling you that you have homophobic/bigoted views and that you put your own bigoted desires ahead of your hypothetical child. I'm not trying to guilt trip you. I'm hoping to show you that you hold some pretty terrible views.

QUOTE (FlySox87 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 08:29 PM) Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. Some of you (i.e. StrangeSox) are acting like I'd disown the kid and have his image erased from the family photographs, Stalin style. And I never said that. I just want my kids to go on dates with girls, I want to meet his female fiance some day and I want a normal family experience. Having a gay kid would be a big adjustment and I don't want that. And I'd be really sad for a while. I'd probably accept it sooner or later, but it'd always eat away at me like Jordan said. No, I never said you'd disown your child. I posted my reaction to you saying you'd be disappointed and sad. Your last line here only reinforces that you're a bigot and that your child's sexuality and experiences you want to have is more important to you than their happiness. I notice both you and Jordan are using male pronouns and assuming a gay son instead of a daughter. Nope.

Some thoughts on the trial and the media circus via Andrew Sullivan http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/20...able-ctd-1.html

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 07:59 PM) I took it is him saying that no straight man on this planet would want to bring a son into the world with aspirations of him eventually turning gay. I agree with that totally. No, he said he'd be disappointed if his kid turned out gay, not that he didn't have "aspirations," because that's a stupid argument no one would really make. I wouldn't "want" it any more or less than brown eyes or brunette hair. It's who they are, why should that be a disappointment to you? Why should that eat away at you for the rest of your life? Only if they're a homophobe or maybe conflicted with their own sexuality. While I am not my father, I feel 100% confident in saying that my brother being gay does not eat away at him. He loves his sons unconditionally and their sexuality does not matter to him, only their happiness.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 07:51 PM) Have you ever called one of your friends gay or a f**? I think 99.9 percent of people here have. Sure, but after realizing why it's harmful, I stopped. Same with retard etc. That said... This whole thing seems really overblown. Someone could take 5 minutes to explain to Gordon 1) why that's unprofessional and 2) why it's offensive and the whole situation is done. No need to jump all over him and make a big story out of it. I don't really care that Gordon did this, but then again, I'm not gay. There's been way more offensive things said ITT.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 07:34 PM) What? Flysox had a point. I'm not afraid to admit that. He had a point that he'd be disappointed as a father if his child turned out to be gay and implied that any 'real' man would be disappointed as well. You can have a point, but that point can be terrible.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 07:28 PM) Depends on the type of cuts. Strengthening the IPAB or adjusting the growth rate of OASDI I can consider depending on the numbers. There's talk though of him supporting raising the Medicare eligibility age, which is the type of thing that would have me joining you in not voting next year. Krugman echoes Greenwald's (perpetual) meltdown over Obama's policies. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/1...-that-into-you/ To paraphrase, at what point does "he's too weak" or "he gives in too easy" stop working and you have to say "he's not really very liberal at all?" eta Krugman also lays into his speech here http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/1...l-flow-fallacy/

WTF is a "huddle"? It just takes me to google mobile's page.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 07:17 PM) I have no problem with gay people. But my son? Sorry, I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to know that my son was takin' it in the booty. Sorry to be so cynical. "I'm not racist, but..."

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 06:50 PM) Awesome. Thanks! this interface frightens and confuses me

QUOTE (FlySox87 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 06:37 PM) I'm not allowed to be disappointed if my son is gay? Would you not be disappointed? I think most red blooded men would be. Doesn't mean we'd show it, but are there people out there who actually want a gay child? No, I wouldn't, because I'm not a bigot and would just want my child to be happy with someone they love. My father wasn't disappointed when my brother came out.

Obama the Republican, pushing to cut medicare and social security. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/us/polit...iscal.html?_r=1 http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:32 PM) I know there is debate there. It wasn't a comment on whether or not he's good at his job, just that the "his players like him" standard is a bad one.