StrangeSox

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 4, 2017 -> 02:38 PM) Isn't the conservative estimate a 25% increase Obamacare this year? The year Pres. Obama leaves? So you don't like high deductibles but you're for Obamacare? That was the average for ACA exchange plans for 2017 plans, yeah. The ACA wasn't perfect. Far from it. This bill is not only worse than the ACA, it's worse than the already broken system we had before the ACA.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 4, 2017 -> 02:17 PM) I am well aware of that. I was responding to the idea that millions are going to drop dead and hospitals are going to turn them away as they have their last breaths because the government isn't providing an optional service to everyone. This is a spectrum issue. My mom was as ICU/ER nurse for twenty years on the South Side of Chicago. If someone is dying or overdosing the nurses deal with the individual. They don't let them die because they don't have insurance or they're homeless or they're a criminal or anything. They do their job and let the hospital deals with the rest later. I linked you to a 2009 study that estimated 45,000 people died due to lack of health care access in the country. People are given emergency stabilizing care at ER's, but that does not account for chronic conditions or conditions that would have been treatable/preventable but deteriorate before emergency care can be administered.

It was a scientifically incorrect statement to claim that there are two possibilities with chromosomes. I don't know why you keep insisting otherwise. There is also scientific evidence that sex and gender are determined at different points in development. It's in the second episode of this program: http://www.pbs.org/program/nine-months-that-made-you/ I don't know what Nye's said recently, but I also don't know how he'd be "exposed" as being "full of it" for having produced a video in the mid-90's that (incorrectly) stated that there are two chromosome possibilities but now claiming sex (did he say sex or gender?) is a choice in 2017. They're both pop-science videos rather than research papers, and they're probably not even talking about the same thing.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 4, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) It's pretty obvious. An engineer who goes by "The Science Guy" and influences children bucks scientific fact when politics get involved. That's bad. Removing an incorrect statement isn't bucking scientific fact, though. Wading into a dumb culture war and insisting that the statement in the video isn't factually incorrect is. If Bill Nye influences children to correctly understand that there are more than two possibilities, that's good.

I dunno, I guess I don't see why anyone would be upset or would bother writing an article about a factually incorrect statement about biology being edited out. It's not a "rule" that can or can't be nullify, it just is.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:58 PM) I don't understand. I thought you buy insurance or get it through your employer so in the case something went wrong you're covered. My cousins condo burnt down. I wonder if he can get home insurance now that it's rubble. People want affordable health care access. That we call it insurance is incidental. Lots of people develop pre-existing conditions or are born with them through no fault of their own. Why should someone born with diabetes not ever be able to buy health insurance in the future? That was the pre-ACA world for many people.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:57 PM) Again, you have money. You care about things like your credit score, etc. That being said, always right a letter. Its ridiculous the amount of things Ive gotten reduced/wiped out just because I do some good old fashioned phone yelling. Lots of jobs, even low-wage hourly ones, run credit checks before hiring now. Lots of people need to be concerned about their credit scores. And there's still chronic diseases and long-term treatment that need to be considered. The medication on was on for several years rang up at nearly $800 a month from the pharmacy but was a $10 co-pay for me. I can't just stiff Walgreens on the bill if I don't have insurance. My wife's uncle had respiratory issues that went untreated for a couple of years before he could get on to Medicaid because he couldn't afford medication (albuterol inhalers, which used to be cheap-o generics but saw a gigantic price hike when the propellants were changed and re-patented).

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:44 PM) How are people dying from this? My best friend was born to a drug addict and had a hole in his heart at birth. He had to get open heart surgery upon birth. He was adopted by parents who were in their 50's when he was a baby. His father, an immigrant painter, fell off a ladder and hit disability very early and is pushing 80 and his mom cares for herself and him with a less than ideal salary. So my friend has been taking care of himself since he was 18 and has been on Obamacare for a while. Every once in a while, he'll have his heart rate sky rocket or crash or I'll look at him and his face will have turned white (he's black). He goes to the hospital what seems like every few months. He'll rack up a bill for 5-15 thousand for a one-two day stay that he can in no way afford. His mom will write a letter to the hospital explaining his situation and they'll write off the account and his debt within a week of receiving the letter. In business we call that "bad debt expense." Hospitals aren't turning dying people away because the current administration doesn't believe healthcare is a born right. Meanwhile, my friend has to go to a specialist to figure out what he can do about his heart condition but none of the specialists are covered by Obamacare. So the cycle repeats... This is from 2009, so it's based on a system that's markedly worse than Obamacare but somehow better than the AHCA. New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage republicans just voted to kill tens of thousands of Americans a year in order to pass tax cuts for the wealthy, and they're celebrating it.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:41 PM) I really dont want to get into this argument, but the "people will die" argument is a losing argument so perhaps people need to reframe the argument. Because right now, most people are going to end up paying more money for less healthcare. Only the top insurance plans will likely see decreases. Medicaid is gutted by this bill. People with pre-existing conditions face premiums as high as six figures a year. Lifetime caps return. Those things will all kill people. If you want to say it's not the best political argument to make, okay, but that is what this bill will do to thousands of Americans.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:39 PM) Yeah, but most of those debts cant be collected. Which will result in higher prices for everyone else's insurance. The real problem is that most people just dont understand how insurance works, so they latch onto arguments like "Why should I pay for someone else who is sicker than me?" Well that is exactly how insurance works in every single insurance industry. The scary part is that the "healthy" people dont seem to realize that its way better to be "healthy" and pay more money, than be "sick" and getting insurance coverage. Literally they dont even comprehend the idea that paying an extra thousand a year is better than having cancer. Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is one of those who does not comprehend how insurance works.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:37 PM) I don't know if that's the safest assumption. It would require many Republican voters to select the person with a "D" next to their name, and that's easier said than done. Two-party system FTW! That, or a mobilized D base and demoralized R base in relatively close districts! There were a decent number of Obama->Trump crossover voters, and some recently published analysis says that was the difference in 2016. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/...on-anxiety.html

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) If they dont go to the emergency room that is on them, but (I could be wrong), the emergency room will give them treatment in an emergency. It just costs much more than treating it early on. This was the whole point of Obamacare, that you tried to make an incentive to go to the doctor so that it was cheaper for everyone. They will stabilize life-threatening cases. They don't treat chronic illnesses that need routine care and medication. If this bill passes the Senate, it will directly lead to the deaths of thousands of Americans from otherwise treatable illnesses. QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:36 PM) It will bankrupt them for sure. That too.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 4, 2017 -> 08:48 AM) 24 Million!

Yeah, there are more cases than just XX or XY, and there are also some cases where XX or XY doesn't result in the sex it typically does. They may not be common, but saying "there are only two possibilities" is wrong.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) Congrats on killing so many undeserving! but the rich get another tax cut they so desperately need! does everyone else really need health insurance?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:19 PM) bill passed House Republicans celebrating by singing "nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, good bye" on the house floor. truly evil people that was Democrats singing it to Republicans on the assumption that a lot of them will be tossed out in 2018. I hope they're right.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:21 PM) I hope whomever this texas democrat is, it is made clear she will have no funding and the worst possible committees. a couple of people always fat-finger their electronic votes, final vote was 0 democrats in favor

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) http://freebeacon.com/culture/netflix-edit...termine-gender/ Netflix edits out segment from Bill Nye the Science guy that talks about chromosomes determining sex. That's scientifically inaccurate, so good on them if they fixed an objective error.

bill passed House Republicans celebrating by singing "nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, good bye" on the house floor. truly evil people

voting now pretty much every single industry, trade or lobbying group tangentially associated with health care has come strongly against this bill.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 4, 2017 -> 01:01 PM) I love how they even think the bill is so s***ty they dont want to be part of it. Thats amazing. whoops that was a bit of fake news! The AHCA as written exempted Congress, but this was an amendment made once that provision got out to the public. So this vote is to *remove* the exemption. It's going to pass nearly unanimously (there's one D so far who voted "Present," everyone else is a yes). edit: present vote switched to yes, everyone is going to vote yes on this

Voting right now on the bill to exempt themselves from all of the awful changes they're implementing, then they vote on the amendment to give a pittance to high-risk pools that will collapse instantly and leave everyone with a pre-existing condition SOL, then the vote for the AHCA.

totally gonna drink some brewskis to celebrate voting for the death of thousands of americans, brah!