StrangeSox

For comparison, the new Democrat governor of Louisiana will be expanding Medicaid in that state. http://news.yahoo.com/louisiana-governor-p...--business.html

New Kentucky tea party governor will follow through on his promise to dismantle the Kentucky exchange. https://politicalwire.com/2016/01/12/bevin-...acare-exchange/

They are now forming a "common law grand jury" to indict the local judge, sheriff. Sovereign Citizens seem to believe that the Constitution (as they imagine it) is full of literally magic words and if they cast the correct legal spell, they will win.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 04:14 PM) They were right to wait and see what they did at first, I think. The next steps needed to be an array of attempts at peaceful resolution with direct, unarmed contact - not sure if that has happened yet? Should have, it seems. By this point, they need to start being firm. They've met with them several times now. They've been asked to leave by the local sheriff and the community.

Remember when the Attorney General of the United States of America hung curtains over the Spirit of Justice because nipples?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) It says right there in the article that breastfeeding is exempted under the law. There's enough of a gray area that it could still lead to lots of harassment and problems. Regardless, the focus of that post was not the law (which is dumb and unnecessary) but the comment. edit: also the follow-up from a fellow s***bag representative:

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 02:35 PM) Is it New Hampshire's state legislature that has like 1 rep for every 3 people? More or less, and it also only meets once a year for a few weeks.

New Hampshire Republican state representative's tweet regarding a law that could make public breastfeeding illegal eta NH's House setup is pretty crazy with 400 representatives for a little over 1 million people, so you inevitably get a lot of loony tunes in there

yeah it definitely makes sense, it just seemed like a really odd thing to chant.

FACTUAL STATEMENT: YOUR SHOT HAS MISSED THE BASKET, INCREASING THE ODDS OF YOUR TEAM LOSING THIS SPORTING CONTEST!

“Sieve”" This was actually used as a sports chant in a high school game?

is any oil actually stored or transported in 55 gallon drums these days? I'd imagine it's mostly tanker trucks/pipelines->supertankers/transcontinental pipelines->tanker trucks->your gas tank

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Anyway the story here isn't a fundamental argument over the usefulness of class action suits, its over a pretty deliberate attempt to shield VW from liability.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) In most class action suits the individual damages are usually pretty low. It's actually made worse when the defendant eventually settles and has to fork over 1/3rd to attorneys plus costs. So that little sum becomes even less. How about law enforcement/the government just enforce the laws? And hand down bigger fines/penalties? That provides the same deterrent effect, if there is one to begin with. I'm pretty sure the exact same people pushing to ban class action suits and enforce mandatory arbitration also push for deregulation or at least keeping regulatory fines hilariously and ineffectively low.

Step 1 was largely done in AT&T v Concepcion back a few years, where the SC ruled that state laws can't override arbitration clauses that ban class action suits. This effectively means that, for an awful lot of consumer products and increasingly even for employment, class action and regular court cases are closed off. As Breyer said in his dissent:

North Carolina has a mandatory ultrasound law for abortions in that state, and it just got even worse. Pictures of the ultrasounds will now be sent to state officials for review.

Yeah they definitely screwed up by not going in during the first week when it was only 10-15 guys. The response to both this and Bundy 1.0 has been pathetic.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 12:27 PM) I couldn't care less. If you take up arms against the US Government, you should expect to die. You want to live? Don't undertake an armed insurrection. I think they have some women and children there now? They were openly bragging about using them as shields at Bundy 1.0. I don't have any sympathy for these guys, but I still would prefer that this be resolved peacefully. An armed assault also puts LEO at risk, as well as the federal property itself.

The FBI caught an awful lot of s*** after Ruby Ridge (rightfully so, that thing was botched from the start and their rules of engagement were insane) and Waco (questionable tactics, lots of people end up dead). It helped drive the militia movement and culminated in OKC. Since Waco, the FBI generally takes a much less aggressive approach, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. There's also the argument that law enforcement is letting these guys hang themselves as much as possible as long as they don't pose an immediate violent threat. The SW Michigan Hutaree militia case really upped the requirements for just how far along the FBI needs to go before a serious conviction will stick.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) I am surprised that federal fines could not be applied to taxes...or worse, create a lien on his property. That's an interesting idea actually, if this dude does not pay the fines if they apply to the property itself (like prop taxes) and would need to be paid upon inheritance. Obviously his sons will abide, I know But anyway cut off power and snacks. FWIW due to the way the power infrastructure is out there, they can't cut off power to the refuge without cutting off power to everyone else on that online unless they have physical access to the refuge. They're also on well and septic, so they've got as much water as they want.

I don't think he's ever really been in trouble for tax avoidance, but I could be wrong.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 12, 2016 -> 11:24 AM) I think he's popular because he's the anti-establishment candidate and he's not PC. He's something completely new and different in the election cycles recently (or ever). I think if you start parsing out the specifics of what he says, people wouldn't agree with it, but it's the general ideas that people get behind. Aside from some dumb, unprofessional statements (all mexicans are criminals, Fiorina's looks, etc) what other crazy things has he said that he alone is advocating? Building a wall? That's a decades long conversation. He's not the first. And I think MOST people understand that's not realistic to do. But they like that he's wanting to take that on and that he wants Mexico to play a role. No Muslims in the country? Again, he's not the only one. And while it's discriminatory and unconstitutional and everything else, it's the idea that we need to be more secure to prevent a Paris-like attack that people are attracted to. Which is just code for all of the s***ty things he's been saying. Mexicans are rapists, retweeting literal neo-nazi fake black crime stats, Megyn Kelly on her period, Fiorina's looks, mocking a physical disability, proposing that we shut down mosques and register and track all Muslims, s***ting on POWs, goons at his rallies beating up minorities and throwing out Muslims, and I'm sure more that I'm forgetting. He's not really advocating policy, which I think strengthens my argument that his support is due to him and what he's saying. Sanders advocates for quasi-democratic socialism and broadly speaking equality and fair treatment. Trump is advocating for racism, sexism, xenophobia and dips his toe into outright fascism. "Advocating for something that is outside the mainstream of US politics and probably not achievable" isn't what makes Trump terrible, it's his nativist populism.

I don't think he's a wage earner--he runs his own ranch. But yeah you'd think they'd be able to seize his bank accounts or something. Maybe the fines are still being litigated? Either way he's still illegally grazing his animals on BLM land without paying the appropriate fees or abiding by the appropriate regulations.