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QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 06:55 PM) They have no more challenges. Can't they still request that it be reviewed though? Either way, I thought he might have snuck his foot in there.

I was afraid they'd challenge.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 06:22 PM) 1. Biggio isn't in the hall of fame because he didn't showboat 2. If you're gonna hate on Melky for showboating, then hate on our whole team, because they all do it. You tell him!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 05:20 PM) It's interesting to note that Fangraphs presents RC+ as their overall number for a persons offense and wrote this article saying how Eaton is hitting more HR without noting the important part that his additional HR has not led to an improvement in offense (RC+ actually slightly down despite the HR). And you are referring to the same sample as the author?

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 04:47 PM) Why? Because sexual harassment is something even close to rape? Please. You're trying to defend an alleged rapist because you want to have another parade in your city. You don't know Patrick Kane and he doesn't know you. I'm embarrassed for the city of Chicago and their despicable victim blaming of a young woman. I suppose a bandwagon fanbase would be a second rate one at that. Let's be really honest about this. The facts have yet to be presented. There can be no victim blaming when no one has a clue what actually happened. There are no charges filed yet. Just an investigation that is dragging on longer and longer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 04:33 PM) If someone else had written this, I could take it seriously. With Dan Bernstein's history, no way. Well, that would presume anyone could take anything he says or writes seriously. The guy is a complete douche.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 04:32 PM) If you delve a little deeper into his stats than this article it becomes even more confusing. Yes, his GB% age is way down, but what counters that is not hard-hit balls or line drives, it's fly balls, specifically a certain type of fly ball that you don't want to hit. His Fly Ball rate has gone up by 8% and his infield popup rate has gone up by 7% - so almost all of the additional fly balls he's hitting are popups. He's not noticeably pulling the ball any more, he's not noticeably hitting more balls hard, he is hitting slightly more line drives (2%) but not nearly as big as the change in fly balls. Basically Adam Eaton is popping the ball up a lot more. He's getting vastly fewer groundball and infield hits, those ground balls are now turning into popups. However one thing is offsetting that - he hit HR on only 1% of his fly balls last year. This year his HR/FB rate has gone from an insanely low 1% to a much more normal for baseball players 9%. Eaton is actually doing fewer good things with the bat...popping the ball up weakly more and hitting fewer ground balls that could turn into hits....except for he's suddenly showing the power of a normal hitter and additional power is really good. So, batting average down, OBP down, but almost the same overall hitter because he's hitting with a more normal amount of power. The question remaining is...how much of that is sustainable. If he keeps this higher rate of IF popups and his HR rate drops somewhat next year...then he really hurts his game. If he could keep this rate of HR/FB and cut that rate of IF popups back down, then he could become an exceptional player again. Are you referring to overall for the season or just the second half? Because his BA and OBP seem to have increased to me in the second half...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) People who engage in sexual harrassment are pretty bad people to be speaking down to people on how to react to allegations of sexual assault. It like like having the Klan speak to racial equality. I'm not even really sure what the point of his article was. My take is he was simply saying that this act should be considered in isolation as indicative of other behavioral issues that cannot simply be chalked up to abuse of alcohol. I don't know if that is incorrect. But I would say that someone who binge drinks certainly opens him or herself up to a variety of potential behaviors which he or she might never consider doing if not in an extremely intoxicated state. If he has indeed sexually harassed women before, I suppose it does seem a bit hypocritical. However, I'm not sure that precludes him from commenting on the issue.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 11:37 AM) MLB Trade Rumors ‏@mlbtraderumors 17m17 minutes ago Red Sox Hire Jerry Dipoto For Interim Front Office Position http://mlb.traderumors.com/2015/08/red-sox...e-position.html … Wow, seems odd to bring in an external candidate for an interim position.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 10:07 AM) Well, there are a couple of reasons. First, there is just the issue of putting the cart before the horse. Talking about the salary cap is leaping ahead of several mysteries: what happened that night, what will come of the legal side of things, and what the league or team will do. All of those things depend on one another. Knowing more about what happened will give insight into each of the following steps in the process and is probably the order in which we find out. At this point, our speculation about Kane's contract will have as much structural integrity as a house of cards. The second reason is the moral decision-making we have to do. The legal outcome of the investigation will of course be in large part determined by "the truth," but we know through experience that there is nothing nearing a guarantee that justice is done. That's just how the world works, for better or worse. The legal system tries to err on the side of innocence, procedural minutiae can become big factors, and there is of course the looming potential for a settlement that can be an attempt to hide the facts from view. One of my priorities as a fan is to be able to figure out what I think of this situation so I can interpret developments properly. If I think Kane is victim to a shakedown, I'm not going to support punishment. If I think Kane is a criminal, I'll be upset if he is unpunished. I see. I don't really concern myself with things that don't affect me when it comes to this incident. Obviously there is some interest to the story, but ultimately, this impacts me in one way: how will it affect my enjoyment of watching the Blackhawks. For the vast majority of fans, the impact on the Blackhawks, is, in my opinion, the most pertinent outcome of this incident.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 09:45 AM) I bet Tiger has had more hook ups than Kane. I haven't read of any police involvement as of yet. Oh, I thought you meant simply the stories getting to the press. There obviously was the domestic incident and car accident that led to the whole story getting out.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) I think it's fair to wonder what's going to happen to the Blachawks, but it's important to keep things in perspective. The more you focus on how the case affects your hobby, the more you may develop a rooting interest that is unrelated to what the right outcome is. You can follow it from a Blackhawks-centric point of view without letting that happen, but you have to be cognizant of it. As a fan, I hope Patrick didn't rape anybody and that this is somehow a misunderstanding. That's good for the Blackhawks goose and good for the society gander. What I don't want to do is in any way enable a rapist to go unpunished because I want my favorite hockey team to have one of its best players. I have to consciously remind myself that I am biased in favor of Patrick because I want to root for the Blackhawks without experiencing cognitive dissonance. When the Sox traded for Brett Myers, I had to struggle to figure out if I was seeing his domestic violence situation in a very nuanced way because that's how it really was or if it was because I wanted to be able to cheer for him. There's a reason things like the Ray Rice situation developed some level of consensus. Once we saw him punch his fiance, even people who liked Ray Rice couldn't pretend that he didn't punch her. There were obviously a small group of people who don't give a damn whether he punches somebody, but for reasonable people there wasn't any room for interpretation. Well Patrick wasn't on tape as far as we know so I have to battle the fact that my mind will want to imagine him doing no wrong or at least less wrong than what he may be alleged to have done. So if months from now we're looking at a certain rape conviction for Kane, I'll be intensely interested in the contractual and cap implications. For now, I'm not uninterested in those topics but there are more pertinent things, like finding out what actually happened. The last sentence is interesting to me. Why is what happened "more pertinent?"

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) One thing I would question is exactly how much of this, even if he isn't charged, are the Blackhawks willing to put up with? You had the cab incident. You had the incident in Madison. Now this. I know, we all pick up girls and bring them home at 4 AM, but why doesn't this stuff happen to Toews or Hossa? Even Tiger Woods? I just wonder, even if they pass on prosecuting this one if the Blackhawks say at some point, we can't wait for the next one. If he grows up, he grows up, but decide to take what they can get for his services. Uhh....

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 09:33 PM) For as strongly as I feel about this situation, I don't think at this point it's wrong for any fan to ask the question "Ok, when does this start to affect the Blackhawks, the team I enjoy watching?" It doesn't mean you are minimizing any situation, or don't have compassion for the victim, but yes, we all have a more heighten interest in all of this because of the Blackhawk connection. I think it's perfectly find to ask the question. To be honest, I'm almost shocked that it isn't being discussed more, considering the Hawks just won the Cup especially. Imagine if this was Tom Brady. Do we really think no one would be speculating on the future of the Patriots and Brady's career?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 03:10 PM) I've been in California since 1980 . Maybe I'm out of the loop but can't imagine many Sox fans singing the praises of Danks and Flowers the way he does. So when you say he "sort of represents" that "sort of " sort of makes a lot of difference. Well Greg certainly does add his own little twists. But most Sox fans seem to be a product of what the Chicago media writes/says or White Sox broadcasting teams say. Now if you read/hear what much of the Chicago media and the White Sox broadcasting teams say, well, let's just say your typical Soxtalk poster is not indicative of the average fan.

That punch is going to cost him a heck of a lot more than $600

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) He can't be serious though . I think he must have a warped sense of humor or enjoy the attention. No one can constantly defend Danks and Flowers the way he does without some agenda. I guess people call it trolling . I mean he gets to see his name online, laugh at how crazy people get over his fake opinions. I mean he's a Sox fan no doubt but he has to be pulling everyone's legs a lot of the time. Have you spoken with fans at games or listened to Chicago sports radio? Greg sort of represents the opinion of a lot of our fans.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) well the words are now publicize in this thread, and i am talking about me. i did let my anger get the best of me. this is and was a debate on different point of views. this is a sports forum, and pov usually don't changes and this site provides an opportunity to express it. furthermore, i was going to pm ss25 to offer my apology. this is a site to express opinions without being criticize for it. again at least for me. now with hat in hand i leave You didn't do anything in bad taste, nor do you owe anyone an apology.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 01:40 PM) Yea, Geno was sticking his finger in the guys face when he got punched Supposedly he turned away and then got punched.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) Feel free to continue judging.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 12:33 PM) Because you aren't passing judgement or anything... Outrage at outrage, is still outrage. And yes, I think if we as a society have gotten to the point where a sports teams standing is more important than a rape case, we should all be outraged. If you feel the need to judge me for that, please do. I am perfectly comfortable with that as well. I'm not outraged at all. I'd simply prefer to not be insulted for caring about how this affects Patrick Kane and the Blackhawks. I also find it ironic how those feigning the outrage also tend to be the ones passing the most judgment upon everyone. Apparently continuously judging others is one of the few actions that does not deserve their own condemnation.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Have at it. I have no interest in it right now. Maybe if/once Kane sees a punishment, but not when we don't even know what exactly happened. The best thing that can come out of this isn't salary cap relief, it would be for some people to see this and learn a lesson. And I don't care if you have interest. However, it's not as if some posters have disinterest and simply ignore the discussion. Rather, they feign outrage and pass judgment.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 12:26 PM) I don't know if a thread like this is a cause or a symptom Please, I prefer blatant insults instead of the veiled ones.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 12:20 PM) No one ever said different. But the day that my first thought in a rape case is "how will this impact the salary cap" is a day I never want to get to. But then again this is a strawman because no one said it effected them personally. And no one said it must be your first thought. But let's face it, we are discussing this in an NHL thread on a sports message board, not on a rape victim's forum or something. I think it's perfectly within reason to think about the effects this might have on the Blackhawks - something much more pertinent and relevant to all of us in this thread than discussing the impacts to a woman none of us will ever know.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) You've gone off of the deep end. No, I'm just more honest than you guys. If we are really going to talk about how this might impact us all, however it impacts Kane's career and the Blackhawks is *the only* impact it will have upon us.