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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 22, 2014 -> 04:41 PM) But the problem is that you've completely fabricated that mentality here. Until you can somehow reconcile "still giving the exact same kids the exact same honors and awards" with "everyone gets an honor/award!", this point makes zero sense. Only those who worked hard to earn the honors will get the honors. The honors requirements weren't loosened to allow more people in. No I haven't. The mentality is evident in their admission that they were ending a tradition due to concerns of exclusion. And you keep equating the results. They're not the same, nor should we assume they'd be the same in this scenario given the administration's apparent concerns. For the 15th time, go back to the Olympics example. Do you think Olympians would be happy not having a medal ceremony after the event? Do you think they'd rather go through the ceremony individually or as a big collective group during the closing ceremonies? There's a value in having your own special recognition, even if at the end of the day you still get the award.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 22, 2014 -> 04:33 PM) Nobody took away the honor roll or expanded it to include more people. Only the ceremony was changed to a larger one. Now they get to be awarded in front of the entire student body for their achievements. Why is this supposed to be so horrible? Set aside whatever possibly dumb motivations the administration may have had and just look at the actual results. eta: as for the second bolded part, trying got them to learn more things, be more successful and get on the honor roll. If the only thing that drives you is a desire to belong to exclusive clubs and feel and flaunt that you're superior to others, then you're probably kind of a douche. The motivation is THE problem here. How many times do I have to repeat that?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 22, 2014 -> 04:31 PM) No, its your caricature of them. Which is the point...something a school administrator does gets picked up, something akin to Fox broacasts it as a scandal because it fits their caricature of people, you go off on a rant, we respond with "why the **** should anyone care" and that somehow proves the point. Lol, oh I see. Let's ignore why people do what they do. Only look at the results. Come on man.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 22, 2014 -> 04:23 PM) I'm still missing the part where the honors students wouldn't have been getting honors awards. Honors kids still get rewarded, non-honors kids still don't. It's entirely about whether its at a separate event just for honors kids or if its part of a larger awards ceremony where people are awarded for other achievements as well. And honestly, if people really get this snobby and stuck up about the event needing to be 'exclusive' to mean something, well, then it's probably good that they end it. Not because the non-honorees will feel excluded, but because the honorees will be douches about it. Well, I dunno how many times I can repeat it. If you don't get it, you don't get it. Being recognized on a specific night for something is going to be more meaningful than doing it in a large group. It's the same with sports awards. You're part of a special group and you should be honored/recognized accordingly. You shouldn't be lumped in with everyone else because everyone else doesn't belong there. As I said before, it's not just taking it away, it's the reason behind it. It's a bulls*** mentality that kids all need to be given things equally, despite what they've done to earn it. Take away the special awards night. Fine, who cares. But don't do it under an "exclusion" justification. That's 100% of the problem here, not that the award night thing is really some special thing to begin with (although I think it's beneficial and worth SOMETHING to those kids, even if it's not a lot.)

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 22, 2014 -> 04:22 PM) I dont really see how this is liberal or conservative. Both sides b****/moan when they dont get what they want. I bet their are conservative parents who b**** when their kids dont get an award, just the same as liberal parents. The reality is that no one should give a f*** about awards prior to HS. The point should be going to school, trying new things and being a decent human. The last thing the smart kids need are more pats on the back, if anything its the kids who are in the middle/low end who need to be given hope/encouragement. It's just a parenting style/philosophy that you can see in the news and that i've already experienced personally in the 2 years with my son, that jive pretty closely with political ideology. Maybe not perfectly, but close. And yes, there are horrible parents/parenting styles on both sides. And I disagree with the bolded. Pat the s*** out of everyone's back if you're doing something right. It makes zero sense to devalue someone's achievement just to make someone else feel better about themselves. Maybe some of the kids getting those honors were one of the dumb/apathetic/lazy kids and they worked to get those honors. "And now you've taken it away from them. What are they supposed to think now? Yeah, trying was fun but it didn't get me anywhere. What's the point?" That's a pretty dumb policy.

Again, had they said this was budgetary, no one would have cared. But as a policy choice they decided it was better to take away something positive in order to keep kids from being excluded. And to me that's a totally f***ed up policy, regardless of how important having a special award night really is in the grand scheme of things. It's the perspective of those board members/administrators that's the issue.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 22, 2014 -> 04:08 PM) The reason why people are happy to get upset about it is that they can blame it on the liberals and say how terrible they are. As we already saw here. This IS on liberals. You're being purposefully dumb if you don't agree with that. Conservatives are equally wrong on the other extreme of this issue ("don't give em anything and don't give them any help, they'll learn on their own!")

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 22, 2014 -> 04:03 PM) I dunno. Maybe? I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the separate event, but I really don't understand people being so upset about it, either. Because it's in the same vein as not keeping score in kids soccer games or telling them that they won or lost because you don't want losing kids to feel bad about it. I, and others, think it's important to not only reward people who have achieved/won, but also to allow people to lose so they know what it's about. If you keep treating kids equally they don't learn anything. I've seen that already in my 2 year old. If he doesn't go through a consequence, he won't change, be it positive or negative. You need to reward where appropriate, and you need to let them see consequence when appropriate so they learn good/bad, right/wrong, what to do/what not to do. If you're good at day care for a day you get a sticker. If you're bad, you don't. He's learned that already and he gets pissed when he doesn't get a sticker and we teach him it's because he smacked some kid in the head with a toy. It makes no sense to give him a sticker or to stop giving stickers entirely because you feel it excludes him from something. He needs to be excluded, otherwise he won't learn.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 22, 2014 -> 03:52 PM) But nobody took any of the actual honors away, just the separate honors night. Couldn't you turn that around and say that by honoring these students in front of the entire student body, you're giving those who didn't make the honor roll something to aspire to? Do you really think they're going to take away this honors night and then in front of those "excluded" kids make a huge deal of this honors stuff?

I believe Alpha or someone might have said this pages ago, but it makes zero sense to take way these things that recognize GOOD students, students that have worked hard and done well. And it's especially dumb when your excuse is the "exclusion" of other students.

So not any part of you took honors courses or did well in school or went to college, etc in order to have someone look at you and be proud and/or impressed with your achievements? Yes, obviously we also went to learn. We went to get a degree and start a career. But for me, a portion of it was how people would see me/think of me going forward. In junior high and high school, when you have little else, those were motivating factors for me and many others. It was special to be a group of 25-30 kids that were in all AP classes and got recognized for it. Just like getting extra tassles at graduation or fighting over class rank. Again, I liken it to a track meet or the Olympics. You perform in those activities to win and when you win you want special recognition for it. You want to stand on that podium on your own. You don't want to be handed a medal at the same time as everyone else at a large ceremony.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 22, 2014 -> 02:45 PM) If the only reason they are working towards something, especially learning, is for the recognition at the end, we've already failed them What, why? Should we get rid of college degrees too? Just let people go to class for 4 years and learn stuff?

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ May 22, 2014 -> 02:35 PM) There you go again adding in your own interpretation. Nothing in there says the problem with the event being exclusion was making people feel badly. It's not possible they want awards ceremonies to include the entire school or for teams to be recognized at the same event as individuals? They seemed to matter when you were pretending that individuals weren't going to be recognized. Do you mean the daughter of the "looking for something librul to be outraged at" conservative dad? Ah, now you have telepathy too. Come on, you're being difficult for no reason. When their reason for dong this is "exclusion" of others, what other possible explanation is there? They made a stupid decision. Hell, they should have just lied and said they were combining the award nights for budgetary reasons and no one would have thought twice about it. But they brought up this "exclusion" nonsense, and here we are. Edit: and I never said they weren't going to be recognized. What I said was they weren't going to be recognized separately, as they were before. Again, i'm not sure how you don't see the difference there. edit2: Did you have an honors awards night at your school? Perhaps that's the difference here. We did, and I attended and received special recognition. And it was awesome to have a special night for the group of students who were in the various honors programs (and who took special AP classes and worked hard to get those honors). To have our parents/family come to that special event designed for us was great. It would have sucked to just be lumped in with the rest of the student body at a general awards ceremony even if they did call us all out individually and recognized us.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ May 22, 2014 -> 01:50 PM) You're just making things up. You don't even know how the new ceremony was going to work because they didn't specify. My interpretation was that they were going to gather everyone and then celebrate both individual and team-based awards. Your interpretation is that they're not going to celebrate any individuals and just act like everyone is super A+ clap your hands happy friends time. If the recognition was equivalent, then why wouldn't athletes want to get it at the closing ceremonies in front of everyone rather than in front of the 80 people sitting in the stands for Skeleton? Yup, always good when oversensitive conservatives create a backlash over a letter that was just vague enough for them to insert their "liberals are p*****s" fantasies into. No, my interpretation was they were getting rid of a separate event traditionally dedicated to honors students, designed to recognize those students individually for their achievements. They did this because they felt a separate event was too "exclusive" to the morons in the school (aw, we made them feel sad, that's a no no), so they decided to merge that awards night with other "team-based" achievement awards. The particulars about the awards night doesn't really matter - they've still taken away that separate honors night from kids that deserved the honors. One kid was quoted as saying she thought that was BS because she worked hard specifically to be honored separately. It's always good when morons in charge of our kids are rightly called out for their moronic decisions. It just so happens in this case, the thought process was very much the liberal p**** fantasy that everyone not only needs to be treated equally, but that the results of everything in life should be equal too.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ May 22, 2014 -> 01:26 PM) How are they losing distinction? They still get their names announced and get the award, correct? My high school did the NHS + Salutatorian + Valedictorian stuff during graduation, in front of everyone. They didn't have a separate Honors Night. Doesn't seem anything like that to me. It's the exact same as the track scenario. Technically they're still getting the award, but the recognition of the achievement, which is 99% of the reason you work hard to obtain it, was being taken away from them. You think Olympic athletes would want the medal ceremonies to take place all at once, at the closing ceremonies, when everyone else gets a medal? No, you want recognition for working your ass off. You want the spotlight for that 15 seconds. BTW, I just read that the school has changed it's mind thanks to the public backlash. Good decision.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 22, 2014 -> 01:16 PM) Just to stress what happened here...."I disagree with liberals and I disagree with this ergo this decision was made because of liberals". The school admin could have been Republican and I'd still be against it 100%. The PC/pussification of society crap is pushed continually by liberals.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 22, 2014 -> 11:46 AM) Imax 3D cost 32 for me and my bro last friday at the 1 PM show Yeah it's going to be $29 out in Woodridge for 2 tickets at 1:30pm tomorrow.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 22, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) just not true List me off a couple please. No comic book based movies, and no re-boots or sequels. World War Z was the only one that I could think of from last year. And it sucked for the most part. Edit: ok here's a list from 2013: http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2013 I'll admit Catching Fire was good and I enjoyed it, despite being a sequel. Gravity I also enjoyed a lot, although it wasn't really a summer blockbuster, nor was it all action, but whatever, throw it in the mix. What's next? The Hobbit, haven't seen it yet. World War Z, sucked. Captain Phillips? Eh, ok, I liked it. Elysium sucked. Lone Ranger sucked. Oblivion sucked. Olympus has Fallen looked terrible. Didn't see Pacific Rim, heard very mixed reviews. After Earth sucked, I made it 15 minutes before turning it off. What else did I miss that would be considered a good summer blockbuster?

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ May 22, 2014 -> 11:52 AM) Sounds to me like the opposite. Those individual awards were being given out during a private awards night. Now they're being given out during a more general awards ceremony that includes school and team awards. They'll be presented in front of MORE people. But they're losing the distinction. How do you not get that? Instead of being praised and applauded for being good students, they get roped in with the other morons so the morons don't feel bad. It's like having a track meet and instead of giving the winners of the events 5 seconds of recognition during a medals ceremony, they just wait and hand out medals to everyone, including participation medals, at the same time. It's moronic. It's a bunch of politically correct, oh don't hurt anyone's feelings, no one can be different and unique, progressive bulls*** this country has been transitioning to for the last couple of decades. I'm all about being more opened armed and not being such a white/christian/male dominated society, but enough already with this crap about everyone having to be thought of as the same. We're not. We're different. Some kids are smart, some kids are stupid. Some kids are good at sports, some kids suck at sports. Move the f*** along, it's life. It's not equal or fair and the faster kids learn that, the better off they'll be.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 22, 2014 -> 09:58 AM) You seem very hard to please when it comes to tv and movies. So yes, probably too much to ask for. I'm critical, sure, but if you don't like comic book movies, you haven't seen a decent action movie in years. It sucks.

QUOTE (chw42 @ May 12, 2014 -> 10:53 AM) He will be missed. His character was awkwardly hilarious. I wondered what you guys were referring to. I didn't realize that guy died. That's going to be somewhat awkward to deal with going forward.

Movie selection f***ing sucks these days. My wife and I are taking the day off work tomorrow and the kiddo gets to go to day care. Free parent day. Everyone rejoice. How to spend our free time? Let's go see a movie in the theaters for the first time since last fall. My choices are s*** (all comic book movies), s*** (Million Dollar Arm, the movie with the three chicks and Jamie Lannister, Rio 2) and a movie I do want to see (The Neighbors) but refuse to pay 20-25 bucks to see when I can watch it for a $1.50 in 6 months. So our choice is Godzilla, which I'm mildly excited to see. But it's going to cost us $40 bucks to see a movie that comes with a 50% chance of being awful if what i'm reading is true. Can hollywood please just come up with some original ideas for the summer? I saw a lot of the Oscar nominated movies last year and they were mostly good. But summer blockbusters are always f'n terrible. Just make some good, non-comic book, non-reboot action movies. Is that really too much to ask for?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 21, 2014 -> 07:26 PM) Nobody said not to watch the games. Just don't be an idiot. You've seen greatness up close. You should know the difference between a try-hard team built for the regular season and one built for the playoffs. All y'all besides Jason had the Bulls in the conference finals just because. Yeah, get back to me when you can name the 2003 Blackhawks roster without googling it. #butIbeenAhAWKSFANsINCEbIRTH Lyin ass mofos. Yeah because so many of us were equating a Bulls teams that lost its best player and traded away its second best player with some of the greatest teams of all time. You need help.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 21, 2014 -> 07:14 PM) See how defensive you guys get? You guys know you're lame. Don't get mad at me. MVP chants for Joakim Noah and we had Michael. #WEdotRYhARDinTheCHI Because the best alternative is to not watch the games and jerk off to Lebron 24/7 like you. No thanks, I'll pass. And the Noah MVP chants were ridiculous....but he ended up 4th in the MVP race so.... maybe not so much?

QUOTE (scs787 @ May 21, 2014 -> 07:09 PM) Man, do some of you guys ever get tired of bashing the Bulls FO? I don't follow basketball as much as I do baseball and football so maybe I'm missing something here, but the level of hate for them is ridiculous to me. I don't wanna rehash anything but ya, just wanted to throw that out there. It's the sign of a pretty patient fanbase that sucked for a decade, won the lottery and got a superstar, had a small taste of success, and ever since has been told by management that it's not going to be THIS year, but NEXT year. And for probably 3, going on 4 seasons now, we're still waiting. Meanwhile other teams have made big moves and the Bulls have passed on moves, to keep with their future theory that as of yet has not materialized. But now most of us have finally had it with the "just wait until next year" nonsense. We want something to happen now.