quickman

QUOTE(JimH @ May 1, 2005 -> 12:57 AM) Attacking you, yeah right. You said he was bad, I said he was not great but not bad either. Saying he is overrated is different than saying he is bad. If you don't want people to challenge what you say, then say what you mean. Overrated because of his ability to steal bases, I would more tend to agree with that. I have talked negatively about Harris many times, I haven't been attacked. speak for yourself.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 1, 2005 -> 12:47 AM) I am talking to quickman on the phone and by the way he says Willie sucks. Just so everybody knows. Lets not forget the rest of the team, only salvation for tonight is Kerry Wood going on the DL with a shoulder. Maybe tommorrow Guillen can bat Widger 3rd, perez 4th, and Lopez 5th. This is pathetic, they are lifeless. In one week they blew a 5 game lead. Looks like all those who said we would fade were dead on, just didn't think it would happen in a week.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 1, 2005 -> 12:17 AM) Is Iguchi really the one we should be complaining about? Your right, we should be complaining about, Konerko, Dye, rowand, shingo, Perez, harris, vizcaino, guillen. thats about it.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 1, 2005 -> 12:15 AM) Do you remember him having blazing speed at any time this year? There are some very fast players in japan and he was suppose to be at the top of the list. I have not seen anything more than average speed out of him thus far. Not just that but he has not shown any power at all. I think I ahve seen him hit one or two balls to the warning track.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 1, 2005 -> 12:12 AM) Iguchi is much slower than the reports i have read from japan. Maybe were just better here at throwing people out

QUOTE(qwerty @ Apr 30, 2005 -> 10:12 PM) Still makes no sense to bat timo fifth don't care what anyone says. i know I am late to the game, but I agree, it makes no sense.I don't want to pile on and get everyone on a tangent but Ozzie really does do some mind boggling things. Even when we are winning.

wow thats three last times. Dave Mason : We just disagree.

QUOTE(quickman @ Apr 29, 2005 -> 03:17 AM) illini, I agreed with you and ABOZ on this thread and another. I think there is no doubt in my mind he moved into the pitch. Is it ever called, I have never seen it called. Was it a good call? I suspect it was. To me it was blatant, and I actually now worry a bit that Crede will be looked at the plate a little differently. jim I understand your point its not called and we have an umpire with clear history with the whitesox. coincidence? probably not, but it was the right call. I do think that Crede should not have been thrown out. That was just the umpire flexing muscles. whoops it wasn't aboz I agred with sorry.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Apr 28, 2005 -> 05:19 AM) Well i knew eventually someone would agree with me. Slow curveball, he moved his elbow INTO it. Stop the argument of "he didn't move" because it's just not true. That call has to be made, plain and simple. It wasn't hitting him without Crede's blatant help. illini, I agreed with you and ABOZ on this thread and another. I think there is no doubt in my mind he moved into the pitch. Is it ever called, I have never seen it called. Was it a good call? I suspect it was. To me it was blatant, and I actually now worry a bit that Crede will be looked at the plate a little differently. jim I understand your point its not called and we have an umpire with clear history with the whitesox. coincidence? probably not, but it was the right call. I do think that Crede should not have been thrown out. That was just the umpire flexing muscles.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Apr 28, 2005 -> 12:32 PM) He leaned into it and it should have been called. Doesn't matter to me if it's never called against Biggio or anyone else. It was blatant and obvious. Crede's inability to get over it was what bothered me. Well I agree, he leaned into it, now all the umps will be watching him. I did find it interesting that people are now talking about how its never called. If anything all the umps will be watching more closely on these plays. It just magnifies the issue. upper hand shifts to pitchers.

On Mike and Mike, they were talking about the Crede call, although they believe Crede purposely wanted to get hit, they said its never called. Tim Kurjchin chimed in and said he sees Craig Biggio do this all the time and its never called. He also cited Harry Wendelstedt doing the the same thing many years ago in a tight ballgame. Mike Greenberg said that was probably the last time it was called.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 11:21 PM) As Wilbon would say on PTI, this should be beatdown material. totally agree

whether the rule is dumb or not its still the rule, and it appears its umpire discretion to call. This one did. I hate this ump but one way he will get whats coming to him.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 10:42 PM) Now, i know this is hardly ever called. But it's never called because most HBP in question come on pitches where the batter "doesn't make an attempt" to get out of the way and they usually just let it slide. This was drastically different. Not only did he not move, but the pitch wasn't going to hit him. On a really slow curveball, he started his swing, stopped, and dropped his elbow in a blatant attempt to get hit by the pitch. As an umpire (and i have been one for 4 years), you have to call that, period. Otherwise you almost can't call anything if a guy ever gets hit by a ball. Umps made the right call. Flame them all you want for the rest of the series - no arguments there. But this call can't be lumped in with the rest of the series due to bias. I think your right and it was blatant.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 10:22 PM) The game is still going on if Rowand catches a routine pop-up to CF. The sun is tough in Oakland, but that play needs to be made. The offense was so brutal today, they didn't deserve to win. Still a great trip, a much needed off day, and then beat the crap out of the Tigers. Agreed, In all my years I have never seen two games like these last two. Dropped balls, bad calls, throwing to wrong bases, people playing in odd positions, guys getting plunked, no retailiation, MLB calling the whitesox to tell them not to retaliate, odd calls at the plate. Guys getting injured. It was nuts. never want to see it again. Lets hope KC can do somethign tonight.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 10:21 PM) Is there a place where I can listen to the after the game press conference? I'm bored as hell at work and am curious as to what Ozzie says. I hope he also mentions how the team FAILED to execute, along with the fact that umps made some poor calls. I'm also curious as to what they do because if Ozuna/Uribe aren't able to start, then someone needs to be on the DL (preferably Ozuna). I'd probably call up Andy Gonzalez of all people. www.am1000.com

wait until the postgame show, Ozzie will be in very rare form.

there is barely any sun

unreal

can anyone of you guys site the official rules on this. I am sure someone can dig this stuff up about leaninng into pitches.

wow that was a strike

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 09:57 PM) Defensively yes, he made some mistakes. Thing is Dye dropped that ball and s*** happens. As far as offensively though he made big time strides. It was probably his best offensive game of the season (sad as it may be). Well I think he is in a total funk, offensively he is terrible right now and should be dropped in the order. Defensively he is suspect. Maybe he is one that get effected on both things, but he is not playing good baseball.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 09:54 PM) I'm going to look at yesterdays game where he made a lot of strides. The problem with this entire f***ing offense is they are trying to pull everything in the world. Maybe I read this wrong but yesterday dye dropped a ball and threw tot he wrong base. he cost us the game.

DP, this has to be a turning point, it just has to be.

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 09:50 PM) Dye would have won this game by now if he was still on the A's. DYE equals konerko of 2003