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QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) That would be Furcal. Not at $10 mill a yr for 4 yrs

QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 12:52 PM) castillo? pierre? furcal? i think oz has got kenny's ear, he proved it last season. this is what i like to hear. Luis Castillo would be a perect fit. He could DH, and play 2b, giving Iguchi some days off. When he plays 2b, the sox could rotate guys in at DH

From today's trib, comments from yesterdays press conference: "I want more speed," said Guillen, whose Sox finished third in the AL with 132 stolen bases. "It's not fair to get [scott] Podsednik on base, Podsednik on base, Podsednik on base and when the kid doesn't get on base, the heat comes to him. "Hopefully we can get somebody who can run. I want a second hitter so we can put Iguchi down in the sixth or seventh spot to get more [run production] out of him." _____________________________________________ I agree the sox need to have another OBP option with speed in case of an injury to Pods, and to give the sox more options for scoring runs. Interesting call though where would you put that #2 hitter with speed. Ideas?

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 10:04 AM) http://msn.foxsports.com/story/5070298 "Free-agent first baseman Paul Konerko would like a full no-trade clause from the team that signs him, but two of his most interested suitors, the White Sox and Angels, frown on such provisions. The Angels gave right fielder Vladimir Guerrero, shortstop Orlando Cabrera and right-hander Bartolo Colon extremely limited no-trade protection in their free-agent deals." The sox would probably be the only team in a position to offer PK a no trade clause. If he's the team leader they say he is, then putting in that clause wouldn't and shouldn't be an issue. That clause will also help lower the money and may be enough to overcome another teams offer of say 5 or 6 years I say a 4 yr deal for $50 mill with a no trade clause, is more than fair.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 06:31 AM) It seems the media has jumped on board the Cleveland "Youth Movement" and is cheerleading them to awards and the World Series in 2006. Unfortunately it doesn't quite work that way, as the White Sox showed this season. The Twins 1st place finishes were always discounted, too. I'll take a few more from the sox. The media always loves a good story, like a young team seemingly on the rise, over a scrappy bunch of veterans. Whether Clev. can do anything, who knows. But the sox team isn't exactly filled with overachievers, who had career yrs. They have plenty of room for improvement, esp offensively.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 08:05 PM) Shawn Green (hometown Des Plaines, IL) is very consistent month to month: April .253A/.327O/.385S May .273A/.330O/.404S June .306A/.377O/.663S July .324A/.395O/.505S Aug .308A/.366O/.549S Sept .350A/.382O/.732S His 3 yr averages: April .266/.343O/.428S May .253/.321O/.408S June .257/.323O/.462S July .304/.371O/.502S Aug .305/.396O/.516S Sept .280/.370O/.484S His Jul & Aug numbers are the most impressive here. That's the weakness on the White Sox. We tank in offense in Aug at the same time our pitching goes south. We've got guys that always get hot in Sept. That's why we've not had a losing Sept under KW's tenure. Even if the Manny trade does not go down this trade & the eventual signing of Kong by the AZD works well for both teams. Though I'd prefer Kong to remain at $52M/4 getting Green would be nice as well. No to Green. He's on the downside of his career and not worth the kind of cash he's getting

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 04:05 AM) There is no doubt that Kenny will look to shop Pods this year. If there is a solid offer on the table he will pull the trigger because Pods is a little over-rated and with Anderson ready, he might be better than Pods. Not happening. though Anderson could play the OF, he's not a leadoff hitter. Pods will be around all of 2006, barring any big collapse. Owens might be ready for 2007. Though giving a rookie the leadoff spot would be dicey.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 06:56 PM) Did you read 3E8's chart at all? 16 more homers!!!!!! Then again, maybe someone like Christian Guzman would be a better fit...? The chart just hurt my head. As for Mr. Guzman....there's a comedian in every bunch. I still think he'll play better than '05

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 01:29 AM) But Giles also had a .333/.463/.545 line in those away game, with a 70/24 BB/K ratio, and 26 doubles. Compare that to say Paulie who had 8 more HR's in away games, but 12 less doubles and a much worse K/BB ratio. Giles doesn't have to hit for massive amounts of power to be successful. Last yr, Giles had a higher SLG % at home. Whatever the reason, I don't think Giles will hit for over a .600 SLG like he did in Pitt a few yrs back. Add in the fact he wants to play on the west coast, all this talk about him playing for the sox in 2006 is just fiction anyway

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 05:06 AM) you also have no facts which makes you irresponsible. That means you have no credibility (ouch, using a Mariotti line) Am I writing an article for a newspaper here?! good god. How many people have physically shrunk in the last few years [after looking like freaks of nature] along with some of their big power numbers? Giles is one of them. The point is I'd stay away from a guy like him. And if you don't like my posts due to my being "irresponsible", stay away from them in the future.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 5, 2005 -> 06:19 PM) If a 148 OPS+ from last year is comming down to earth, I wish more players would do the same. It's funny how Brian Giles' power numbers dropped midseason in '03 when he was traded to San Diego. You get Brian Giles out of Petco and he goes back to his 30+ HR self. Interesting that Giles home and away splits for HR's are pretty even. From 2002-2004, [the first two years in Pitt], Giles hit 28 Hr's in 800 ab's at home, while hitting 30 hr's in 846 ab's on the road. This last yr, he hit 6 hr's in 266 ab's at home. and 9 hr's in 279 ab's on the road. If Petco was the sole reason for his drop off, you'd expect a larger discrepancy. Personally, I go by both a dropoff in numbers and a grown man reverting back to his previous life form as a possible past steroid user. Nothing about his stats make me think any different

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 07:16 PM) Alright, This would be my ideal plan. This is all based on Konerko going to LAA. Sign Giles. Overpay if you have to. Its not like were going to sign him to a 6 year deal. Sign him at 3/34 if thats what it takes. We just won the WS. Were still in a good position to be a force. Lets do it now and worry about the future later. Trade for Overbay. While Delgado would be the better choice, He makes a ton of money, and the Sox im sure dont want to go down that road, especially if they just gave 3/34 to Giles. Give the Brew Crew El Duque, Marte, and a mid level prospect and see what happens. It will probably take more than that, but I think you can land him and still keep this team totally intact. Sign Eyre/Mike Myers as your other LHRP. Easy deal. Giles and Dye platoon DH and RF, with Overbay at 1b. Besides adding Giles [which wouldn't be needed if PK re-signs, IMO, a very good chance he will], I'd like these moves. Overbay would give the sox very good flexibility and what the sox need from a LH bat--OBP, avg, some power, and a lot of doubles]. Marte and El Duque [the yanks would take him in an instant] should be gone. The key would be if PK goes elsehwere. Then the sox would have to get creative [make a big trade] in order to replace PK's bat

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 07:18 PM) Just to let everyone know, there's less than a 5% chance of Giles leaving the west coast and less than a 1% chance of him ending up with the Sox. I wouldn't include him in any plans for this offseason. Giles is overrated anyway. In this post steroid era, Giles' numbers are probably coming back down to earth

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 06:19 PM) A guy that can't do anything else but be a pinch hitter, is not the type of guy you keep on the bench. It would be stupid to have a complete DH who can't help out in any way other than offensively (and even than thats assuming he's healthy enough to be out on the field every once in a while) sitting on the bench. It makes zero sense to do that. Plus Frank isn't the type of guy who can sit on the bench for a week, come in for a pinch hit in a key situation and succeed. He needs to get consistent ab's and he's not going to get them in Chicago (he better not). It would be a ridiculous move to do anything other than invite him to camp and see what he could do. I would not even think about offering the big man a contract. The Sox need to get better at DH and nowhere does getting better mean having Frank Thomas as your starting DH or even as a platoon DH with someone else. Find yourslef a legit player who can step in and play DH at times, at other times play in the field with other guys playing DH. Use the DH as a way to give your guys a little bit of rest, while you still get to keep there bat in the lineup. Well said. The biggest question mark about Frank is his health. The Sox can't afford to give up a big roster spot and a starting DH job to this big a health risk. They need to get a versatile player in that spot, prefrably a LH hitter who can get on base and hit for a high average. If the sox do that, then they could offer Frank an incentive laden contract

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 4, 2005 -> 02:24 PM) During the off-season, I don't think that's going to happen, you're basically putting up a white flag for the season, especially if Paulie leaves as well. Now if we're out of it at the deadline, I'd be all for a move like that. I think if PK stays, it wouldn't happen. But if Pk left, trading Contreras could help get talent to replace PK. With the way Freddy, MB and Garland threw in the playoffs, and BMac turning it around, getting a 5th starter type, ala Danny Haren and other talent, wouldn't mean white flagging it by any means. Oakland showed how getting younger doesn't mean getting worse

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 06:13 PM) This is exactly why some of us have been considering whether now would be a good time to trade Contreras for some high quality players/bats/prospects/something like that. He's the one they'll probably let walk, and we can get a ton for him right now after his performance in the 2nd half. I could see a deal of Contreras along the lines of Mulder and Hudson if the right prospects were involved.

No way will a team give PK both a 7 yr deal AND a no-trade clause. The sox would be the one team to probably offer him a no-trade clause. IMO, the sox would be in good shape offering a 5 yr deal w/ a no-trade clause. I'd be interested to see if Vlad got a no-trade clause in his deal with LAA. If Vlad doesn't have one, Pk sure wouldn't get one.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 01:25 AM) Again, you have to give up something to get something. Let's quit the X-Box thinking. *IF* we go the trade route, we're going to have to give up some pieces. If KW liked the team chemistry in 2005, what makes you think he'll mess with it in 2006 by trading away a Rowand, Uribe or Crede? I'll stand by my prediction that no sox regular will be traded. That's not "Xbox" thinking--it's "why mess with a good thing?"

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 01:09 AM) Guys and gals, we will TRADE if we do anything. In fact, I'd say we would trade for sure. The core will probably be the same, however, I'd imagine that a couple of "favorites" will most likely move to get that OBP guy we all wanted on July 31. The only guys who likely could be traded are Marte and El Duque, or some minor leaguers. No Sox regular will be traded.

Scott Eyre

One thing is for certain, PK should get a little better deal than what Sexton and Beltre got last yr. Sexton got a 4 yr, $50 mill deal [$12.5 mill. a yr, a career .270/.352/.530 hitter, coming off an injury]. Beltre got a 5 yr, $64 mill deal--[$12.8 mill a yr, coming off probably a steriod produced career year], and his career #'s were .271/.327/.455. PK's career#'s are pretty close with both--.279/.349/.488. He should expect a 5yr deal worth about $13 mill a yr.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 07:44 PM) Anderson is the better player, that's why you play him. Reason #1. Rowand makes 3.25 million. Anderson makes the minimum. Reason #2! Anderson has the higher ceiling. Reason #3. KW loves Anderson. Reason #4! Anderson is ready for the majors right now. Young, Sweeney, Owens, all a year or more away. I understand the money aspect of putting Anderson in there. Though Rowand isn't making that much money and that wouldn't play that big a role in any deal. As far as Anderson being the better player, or if KW has the man love for him you say, time will tell. I haven't seen Anderson play. But I have a hard time believing the sox will trade away a sure thing like Rowand--above average defender, solid .290 hitter with speed [15 + sb's a yr] and power--and let a AAA prospect take over for him. Esp. as Anderson doesn't project to be that big of an improvement over Rowand. Most scouts have Anderson tagged as a .290 hitter with some above average OF defense.

QUOTE(bighurt2719 @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 12:32 PM) a little insulting to PK to compare him to Beltran, don't you think? I think the comparisons are valid. Both had very good postseasons. Both went into free agency looking to capitalize on their performances. Both could be looking at money that their stats say they didn't deserve. PK's a career .279/.349/.488 hitter. The money and yrs being talked about PK getting seem in line with Beltran. IMO, teams will make the Beltran comparison w/ Konerko when deciding what to offer him. And, Beltran isn't exactly a slug. He's very good player who got great great money

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 04:15 PM) That doesn't sound promising at all. PK is basically stating that it's likely he's going to take the highest offer. If we're going to have to give PK like 15 mil a year, I'd rather he just go elsewhere. What sounded promising was the fact PK knows the political ramifications and pressures of trying to get the most money as a free agent so the market can go higher. PK seems like an intelligent, proud, upfront kind of guy, and a team player. If he's getting pressure to sign with the highest bidder, regardless of its a good fit for him personally, is he going to listen to some idiots he's never heard from before, telling him he's got to sign so the market can go up? IMO, he's more likely to tell the players union poeple to 'piss off, I'm doing what's best for me and my family, as well as the league'. If the sox offer is real close--which it could and should be [other teams are going to be looking at the Carlos Beltran factor too, and see that one great postseason does not warrant breaking the bank for a guy who probably cannot carry a team w/o help], Pk will be back

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 06:59 PM) Kidding aside, Ozzie could shape up Manny IMHO (Latino factor). We did take chances on AJP and Carl and see how that turned out. If Paulie leaves, and we decide to re-sign Frank, if we can trade for Manny ONLY for prospects and maybe Marte, I would book hotel reservations for the 2nd World Series appearance right now Of course, I would make Bo SOx eat at least half of his remaining ridiculous contract too. Ozzie couldn't "shape up" Carlos Lee, Maggs and Olivo. What makes you think Ozzie could shape up a prima donna like Manny? Bringing Manny in would go against what the sox did this yr. No matter how good Manny is, by all accounts, he's not the unselfish team player the sox would need.