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QUOTE(fathom @ May 13, 2007 -> 10:01 PM) Within this article, Ozzie states that Uribe can't be a #2 hitter because he strikes out too much. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines Well, anyone want to guess who had 114 and 110 strike outs the last two years, and which player had 77 and 82. There's also another article stating how Terrero pinch running on Saturday night was proof he had to be on the team. Not like Ozzie didn't have any other options on the bench (cough Ozuna cough). Iguchi has 1,050 at-bats out of the 2 hole in his career...in other spots this year: #5 0 for 4=0 #6 3 for 12=.250 #7 3 for 15=.200 #8 3 for 20=.150 That's 9 for 51 (.176) outside the 2 spot and .255 in that position in the order. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 14, 2007 -> 09:26 AM) Anybody who believes part of the job for a #2 hitter is to take pitches, quite a few of which are good to hit, in order to allow the low percentage play of a stolen base attempt to occur and fall behind in the count simply has a flawed logic about the game of baseball. And that includes Ozzie. And to say Uribe strikes out too much to hit #2 when Iguchi has been your #2 hitter (and a good one at that in 2005 and 2006) is simply ignorant. Not as ignorant as his comment on Terrero, who should not have even been the pinch runner there (Ozuna), but pretty ignorant. Sadly, also not surprising. However, Ozuna had made a huge baserunning blunder, taking himself out of a guaranteed run on the throw from Teahen in Konerko's pop-up to RF. I wonder if that had anything to do with it?

QUOTE(Texsox @ May 14, 2007 -> 08:57 AM) Why is it that everyone here understand when a Player has reached his maximized value, yet the professional GMs never see it and never see to pay for it? It's just like the stock market. Of course, trading Dye, Crede or even Konerko would seem counterintuitive. And when you sell a stock at maximized value, there's no fallout to anyone else if he/it keeps going up after you trade it...and no season tickets holders of the company you just sold to be taken into consideration. Assuming you did trade Crede, would you have started Fields at 3B to begin the season, when obviously he wasn't ready? In hindsight, you could say you go out and get a LF or 2B, but then that blocks Sweeney from playing. Do you just go for a one-year rental type ala Carl Everett? If you trade both Dye and Crede for prospects, you're sending an obvious rebuilding signal. About the best they could have done is a move to replace Iguchi, but we had nobody in our system (certainly not Lopez or Gonzalez) and we could have gotten a Callaspo or similar prospect, but those results aren't guaranteed either. And trading Dye, who was a Top 5 player in the AL and only making $6.75 million...there's no way in H.E.L.L. you replace his production without paying twice as much for it. Heck, can you name any RFer in baseball that you could pay $15 million and get Dye's 06 numbers out of?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 13, 2007 -> 11:18 PM) I understand this argument, but KW took the same risk going into 2005 by ditching Valentin, Lee and Ordonez. Did he lose some of the 2004 season ticket base? I'm sure he did, at least possible revenues the first couple of months. But then late May (2005) hit and everyone realized that the White Sox were for real and the attendance started to pick up...fans started identifying with Hermanson, AJ, Dye, Pods, El Duque and Iguchi, and they liked what the White Sox were selling, which was a "team" and not a bunch of superstars with "names" that didn't seem to win much of anything. If we hover around .500 and lose Buehrle and Dye, coming off around 2.3-2.5 million in attendance this year, we won't be able to sustain a $100 million payroll for 2008 and beyond...and I think the "stand pat" attitude with Iguchi, Dye and Crede speaks volumes. KW wasn't sure about any of those three players, and it turned out he might have been right not to sign them to extension...I remember arguing all offseason at WSI with "whitesoxrandy" that it would have been extremely foolhardy to give Dye $60 million for four years. And it doesn't seem like much at all could have been done to get Buehrle signed either, because the White Sox weren't willing to even approach $13-15 million per year, let alone the length of contract, based on last year's second half.

QUOTE(BobDylan @ May 13, 2007 -> 11:02 PM) No. If Ichiro could be had for a reasonible price, there's no reason the White Sox shouldn't jump at it. This means any prospects not involving the names Sweeney, Danks, Gonzalez or Masset. Anything outside that, I think the White Sox have to take the option into serious consideration. It could also give the Sox a heads up in offering him a new contract. The problem is that a lead-off hitter isn't the White Sox most pressing need right now. Erstad has been adequate enough--and unforutnately one of their better offensive players--and the team sorely lacks power. Konerko, Dye and Crede are absolutely awful thus far. Fact is, the offensive solution is already within the team. The question is will those players produce? But I'll always be giddy at the idea of having Ichiro in a White Sox uniform. The guy is a Class-A ball player. Great defender, great base runner, great lead-off hitter. If they think they have a legitimate chance at bringing him back for a few more years, I hope it happens. Masset isn't worth much right now...and I've been looking at Aybar's stats, and he's close to a .600 OPS for his time in the majors. And, for a reputed "speed" player, he hasn't put many stolen bases on the back of his baseball card either, considering his speed. Crede for Willits? We already have Willits, his name is Sweeney...with more power, a little less speed and the jury is out on his OBP. If we don't get enough power from Sweeney in RF, and Erstad in CF...there's no way we can have Anderson or Willits in the OF as well. That would be one of the 3-5 worst offensive outfields in baseball. Now Crede for Willits and Figgins? I would think about that, simply to get some more speed into our line-up, and you could play Chone at 2B instead of Iguchi. QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ May 14, 2007 -> 12:39 AM) I'd trade Crede for Willits in a heartbeat. I think Dye's trade value right now is zero. Until he proves he can still hit big league pitching there's no way he, Egbert, and Russel will bring back Byrnes and Callaspo. Maybe Byrnes alone... Byrnes is a great fourth outfielder and a marginal starter. He's similar to Rowand (I know he's doing well now, we'll see at the end of the year), Erstad, Mackowiak, Jeremy Reed...I know his stats with the D-Backs have been better, but how can you guarantee that will translate to the AL, where he wasn't quite good enough to hold an everyday job in Oakland with Kotsay or Payton being two more comparable players?

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ May 13, 2007 -> 07:27 PM) Sweeney would not be the top prospect of any team in major league baseball. He would not be the positional prospect of any other team in major league baseball. I doubt he would even be the top OF prospect of any other team in major league baseball. And that's not any disrespect. I think the Sox should be starting him everyday. He may turn out to be a decent major league ballplayer. But I think people have unrealistic expectations because he's the Sox best positional prospect (or at least in the top 2). He would be the top prospect for about 5-7 teams. I'm not going to buy into the 25-30 homers hype by Hawk until he learns to turn on the ball and pull it to RCF, but he's going to be a starter, we just don't know exactly how good he'll be.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 13, 2007 -> 05:27 PM) 8 righties (including each of the first 6 guys) and 1 lefty against De La Rosa. Here are some stats up until today on De La Rosa 2007: vs. righties: .250 ba, 1.14 WHIP vs. lefties: .387 ba, 2.25 WHIP Hell, how about CAREER on De La Rosa: vs. righties: .272 ba, 1.65 WHIP vs. lefties: .300 ba, 1.93 WHIP And you play an all righty lineup except Sweeney? With an off day tomorrow? (and we've had several lately). Did it cause use to lose? I doubt it with the performance of our bullpen, but that violates the "put your team in the best position to win" clause of the contract. 1986 Chicago White Sox 644 runs scored, .247 AVG (last in both categories for AL) 1987 Chicago White Sox 748 runs scored, .258 AVG 1988 Chicago White Sox 631 runs scored, .244 AVG (13th in both categories) I looked back and can't believe our offense is worse than the teams I grew up with...those were bleak times for Sox fans, when we last in attendance.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 13, 2007 -> 03:23 PM) Getting Jack Cust was a great move for Beane. Too bad he built such a weak offense... I'd love to have Cust on this team, though. I guess our offense is good enough to get by Pob Mackzuna as our DH. Not like there's a guy out there who can play 1B/DH and who mashes lefties... He ripped a crucial homer to RF (way back) off Sabathia the other night.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 13, 2007 -> 03:06 PM) Most of our games have been against the lowest scoring teams in baseball. No way this pitching performs as well as they have when we face teams like the Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, etc. At this point, I just want to watch some exciting baseball, as I think we have no prayer to top the Tigers in the standings this year. Except when they call up people from the minors, they get instant contributions. Buck has been okay this year and Crosby was very good his rookie season, but they haven't produced position players like they did 7-8 years ago....with Hernandez, Giambi, Tejada, Durazo, Chavez, as well as trades for Dye and Damon. I still would take our offense going forward over the A's, but it's only due to my hopes that Thome will come back at full health.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 13, 2007 -> 03:04 PM) If we want to compete without an offense we need to petition Selig to move the sox to the NL right now. The American league hits, and no matter how good your pitching is eventually you will need your offense to man up and score you some runs. The fact that they keep talking about flipping f***ing baseball cards and all is well is dumb. The offense is getting worse, the Royals got torched last week and our pedestrian offense is making them look great. And the A's are virtually our mirror image...great pitching and lousy offense.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 13, 2007 -> 03:00 PM) lol thats a nice 1-2 pitch Could easily play 2nd and leadoff for us right now. Ummm...no. I MIGHT prefer Harris to Cintron at this point due to his versatility, but that's about it.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 13, 2007 -> 03:00 PM) Willie Harris. Not even the Royals' pen can blow this game. Every time with get to 3 games over .500, we fall back...it has happened 3-4 times now this season. And we're HIGHLY unlikely to wake up out of our slumber against the Yankees and Cubs.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 13, 2007 -> 02:42 PM) Yes you are. The Royals suck and the Sox are hurting. Gordon was the Collegiate Player of the Year and a Top 10-15 prospect in the majors DeJesus is at worst the equal of anyone we use in CF German would be our best hitter this season Buck has some pop and is fairly comparable with AJ Grudzielanek is better than Iguchi this season Teahen is hitting better than Dye Mike Sweeney is better than any DH we've used since Thome went down Gload has 16 RBI's, but you have to favor Konerko, although his average isn't close to Gload's And Pena is lousy at SS, advantage Uribe QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 13, 2007 -> 02:45 PM) I'm glad you can already tell us by just watching the whole two months of baseball that Chris Young has played -- and I'm sure you've seen every single movement by Young this year, too. Pray tell, why aren't you a major league scout again? I have MLB.tv and Extra Innings...I've seen most of his games.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 13, 2007 -> 02:41 PM) Am I being overly negative when I say the Royals have just as much talent in their lineup as the Sox do? I'm so disappointed in KW for not doing more to help this offense. I'm having more fun watching the diminutive Chinese woman dominate 9 Ball on ESPN. At least she can generate some power, and she probably weighs 100 pounds. That's how exciting the White Sox have been for me this year.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 13, 2007 -> 02:38 PM) But wait, I thought Chris Young was only going to be a Mike Cameron type player, and everybody knows guys who play above average defense in CF while hitting 30 homers and stealing 30 bases are very easy to find, right? Molina teasing us. Young is never going to have 30 steals in the major leagues. Does he have the ability? Sure. But his technique leaves something to be desired. Oh, for the days of Mark Johnson and Royce Clayton. That's an offensive juggernaut compared to Terrero and Molina.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ May 13, 2007 -> 02:22 PM) At this point with his subpar defense and non-existent offense, he is not worth very much. I'd rather take my chances with Jorge Cantu, and that's saying a lot (mostly about Tad).

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ May 13, 2007 -> 02:18 PM) I don't think Iguchi is worth the $5mil he will ask for after the season. I really wish Ozuna was at 2B and Toby Hall was DHing instead of homering for Charlotte. Rogowski and his .151 average would fit in perfectly...let's call him up.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ May 13, 2007 -> 02:16 PM) Even though he walked, did Crede still somehow find a way to pop out? We must lead the league in bases loaded walks this year. Or strikeouts.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ May 13, 2007 -> 02:13 PM) CREDE WALKS SOX TIED! SOX TIED! SOX TIED! Hey, that RBI counts the same as a solo homer when opposing GM's come calling...

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 13, 2007 -> 02:05 PM) Has there ever been a team built on defense only? I'd like to see their team hitting stats. 1906 White Sox Well, he can't hit into a DP at least. What are the odds on a shoulder shrug? If Crede hits into a DP or short outfield pop to RF!!!!!!!

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 13, 2007 -> 01:59 PM) If the Sox are shut down today, Walker needs to be canned after this game. I don't know if firing him will do any good, but these guys need a f***ing wake-up call, and realize that slumping for the first 20% of the season cost somebody their job. Sweeney just was frozen on that curve. It happens. That's two called strikes in a row against Ryan. His splits were appreciably better against lefties than righties at Charlotte.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 13, 2007 -> 01:55 PM) Vazquez has no command of anything today. This game is teetering on the brink of bad. Every game since Thome went down falls into that category... It would be hilarious if they had a post-game show for a De La Rosa no hitter against this line-up.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ May 13, 2007 -> 01:41 PM) ... But Uribe will carry this team. As good as Ozuna was the first half last year, he now has managed a .505 OPS. That's pretty hard to do, unless you're Cintron, Molina or Anderson.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 13, 2007 -> 01:37 PM) This is so freaking embarrassing. It's really a good thing we didn't keep Eduardo Perez on the roster. I have a feeling our winning ways lately have masked all these issues in the front office, and no chances are even being considered. It's fascinating though to see De La Rosa keep everything down, and Vazquez throwing everything up. That's what I have been saying...too many comparisons to 2005 with the "timely hitting" and just enough to get it done attitude. You also need a more reliable bullpen to start comparing this team to 05. Toby Hall homers for Charotte, yay!

QUOTE(ROC Sox Fan @ May 13, 2007 -> 01:32 PM) That was a nice grab by Paulie behind his body. What new...welcome back "rookie" Crede and 2003 Konerko. Good news for our pathetic offense. Toby Hall just went deep.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 13, 2007 -> 01:12 AM) I dunno entirely about that, and here's why. The White Sox 1 big need coming into next season is some additional cheap, successful, producing young talent. We're a $110 million team right now, and if we want to keep this exact team together as-is next season, we'd have to be a $130 million team. Add in about another $8 mil for Buehrle, raises for Crede, Uribe, Thome, God knows how big of a raise Dye gets, and even more to hold onto Iguchi, and just to hold as-is right now, we'd add a ton of payroll. And that leaves us no room to upgrade, say, our LF/Leadoff spot or anything like that. The White Sox really, desperately need a couple young guys to insert into the lineup next season. Just 1 won't do it, it has to be on the order of 2-3 guys. One of those young pitchers will probably step into the rotation, possibly 2 depending on what the Sox do with Garland, but that's still not going to give us any room to upgrade. So, what do we really, really need? We need 2 of our 3 top prospects to produce well in the field next season, so that we can afford to fill other holes. If we could, for example, get Anderson and Sweeney both to produce, along with another young pitcher in addition to Danks, then that could give us room to resign Uribe, Iguchi, and to make a serious run at someone to fill our other OF slot. But that doesn't work if we only get 1 decent producing field prospect. If that happens, we're pretty much going to wind up stuck with Erstad as a $6 million option because we don't have any better choice. If Anderson continues struggling and Dye walks, then we lose a lot of salary flexibility and really have no other option than Erstad. If we had Young, we would have another young OF option ready and waiting, which could have freed up salary this season and beyond. Long story short; for me to be happy about this deal, we need Anderson and Sweeney both succeeding for the Sox next year. End of story. The problem is that it's highly unlikely that Anderson is an .800 or even .700 OPS player next year. Perhaps that second or third prospect will be Josh Fields in LF.