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QUOTE (lostfan @ May 6, 2008 -> 09:41 PM) This kind of reminds me of a guy I know on another board who waited until 3/4 of the season was over so McCarthy's ERA finally eclipsed that of Danks, and he could be justified in ripping KW for making that trade. But not a peep before that. except for the fact that I've been saying for the past few days that firing walker would be an absolutely knee-jerk reaction and would be ridiculous. but yeah, the similarities are there. making this too easy.

QUOTE (rafacosta @ May 6, 2008 -> 09:40 PM) So, if he was born here and have Latin parents (and name)...he is not Latin? I'm pretty sure if he starts to suck you will define him as Latin... Quentin went to Stanford, yeah I'm gonna start labeling him an intellectual idiot if he slumps. Logical.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 6, 2008 -> 09:34 PM) Did the Sox trade Cabrera and Quentin immediately after the game or did I miss something? Quentin is an american born citizen, who attended american schools. I was obviously referring to players FROM latin countries. Cabrera, I excluded him from another post, although I haven't seen enough of him to make that decision. My main beef is with Uribe, Ozzie and Pablo, none of which are naturally from the US. Stop turning this s*** into a racist comment, those 3 people are idiots when it comes to baseball. Some could argue for Ozzie, but I sure wouldn't, and from a LOT of people's posts I've seen around here, a lot of people think Ozzie is a moron.

We only had 11 hits tonight, Walker's gotta be on the way out the door.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 6, 2008 -> 09:31 PM) Are you f***ing kidding me? That better be green. Other than Cabrera perhaps, no it wasn't meant to be green. Hawk mentioned something very similar last year during a broadcast which was much more generalizing than what I said, he went as far to say that about most latin players. I just think Ozzie and Uribe, and to a point Pablo, are idiots

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 6, 2008 -> 09:29 PM) Good point . I mean a players manager puts the best defense out there in the last inning of a no hitter. I can't think of a single latin player or manager on this team that has an above average baseball IQ.

this is where the twins come back and tie it up

fall behind mauer, and that's what happens, oh well, gavin floyd is the real deal folks

Let's go gavin.

QUOTE (daa84 @ May 6, 2008 -> 08:00 PM) just a random baseball thought...how many players in the AL off the top of your head are MVP candidates? doesnt feel like theres been a ton of dominant guys so far this year....manny i guess...quentin lol look at the NL though...chipper, berkman, mclouth, webb, dlee, utley, pujols, burrell, han ram all those guys have high averages and a bunch of HR, most of the AL HR leaders have really low averages wonder if it has to do with overall depth of the pitching in the NL IMO the NL is the better league this year, at least that's how it's looking so far.

thome is clutch.

only 8 hits? Fire walker. edit: 9 hits.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ May 6, 2008 -> 07:47 PM) Man I am so impressed by Gavin.... glad he proved me and a many others wrong thus far!! you can share this with me if you want

god damn gavin, you are amazing 3 up, 3 down.

I'm gonna say it right now. Gavin Floyd is the real deal holyfield

QUOTE (Wanne @ May 6, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) Blyleven again commenting on Crede's uppercut swing....... did he comment on how he kept pulling everything (except the 4th pitch) that was pitched outside, and how he pulled an outside slider and grounded it right back to the pitcher? hit the f***ing opposite way for cryin out loud.

I was under the (false? probably) impression that the only things you can do to keep a no-no intact is a walk, hitters reaching on errors removes the no-hit bid

carlosssssssssss

cabrera better be at least on 2nd base after Quentin's AB ends

Steve Stone saying Gavin did not touch first base.

QUOTE (heirdog @ May 6, 2008 -> 02:54 PM) If players don't use the hitting coach, then the hitting coach is unnecessary. So either way, get rid of him. If players aren't going to him, then the position is not needed. If the players are going to him, then he hasn't been effective and should be replaced. And please don't tell me that Carlos Quentin is the only one that Walker is working with.... So if we don't need a hitting coach, get rid of him? What point does that serve, other than to free up about a few dollars that won't be significant enough to improve the ball club in any facet of the game. Knee-jerk.

Current MLB leaders (Strikeouts): 1 Johan Santana : 47 2 Javier Vazquez : 46 2 Jake Peavy : 46 4 Tim Lincecum : 45 also, his ERA is 3.30, 1.21 WHIP, .253 BAA, .301 OBA doing a great job so far, and I think Toby Hall has done a great job with our pitching staff this year as well, he's no longer appearing to be an instant out like he was last year

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2008 -> 02:41 PM) Well, let me reply to this with a simple question. How exactly can removing Greg Walker make this team worse? How exactly does taking one's job away, make this team better? I'll NEVER resort to that sort of tactic to remedy a situation unless that's the CLEAR solution to the problem. That's not the case here, I can't justify taking his job away from him because of this. Swisher came to this team and in spring training, the first person he went to for hitting advice was Jim Thome, not Greg Walker. That doesn't speak towards Walkers lack of knowledge, but more to the fact that Thome is an established hitter, HE is the one that goes to the plate and swings the bat, and has an established career. Just like when Frank went to Oakland, Swisher always followed him around getting advice on all the little nuances of hitting, not the A's hitting coach. But hey, it's not your job that's being lost right? So let's fire him. That's total Bull**** if you ask me

QUOTE (bigred3535 @ May 6, 2008 -> 02:22 PM) If the players are veterans who don't need coaching than why does every major league team have a hitting coach? That's such a simplistic and downright stupid way of putting things and I'm tired of Ozzie, reporters and fans saying that. If you've ever played a sport you know that a coach is there to tell players things that they can't see, because they are inside the slump and can't see their own swing or to gain a bigger perspective. They're supposed to be a trained set of eyes that can see what's wrong and attempt to help the players fix it. Walker clearly is not right for this team and a change needs to be made. Of course, a change won't be made...ever. This team is even more talented and frustrating to watch than last year's so far. You're tired of Ozzie, and reporters saying it, oh.. you mean Baseball People. Gotcha. I have no doubt that Walker has told a lot of these guys what they're doing wrong, but ultimately it's up to the players to translate that information in their at bats. And they're not doing it. If you think Greg Walker just trots around, not dissecting their swings/approaches vs certain pitchers, amongst other things that hitting coaches do, then he WOULDN'T have a job because that kind of lethargic non-coaching wouldn't be tolerated by this organization. Walk is telling these guys what's wrong, they're just not able to execute this information right now because they're MENTALLY slumping, they're psyching themselves out at the plate, it's that simiple really. The only person who's going to get these guys out of a slump is themselves. Firing Walker is a knee-jerk reaction because your angry that you are helpless and can't do anything about these guys' poor performances, and only they can. Your lack of control of the situation is leading to this mob-mentality on firing him. Just my $.02

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 6, 2008 -> 07:51 AM) It is probably time to part ways with Walker. The offense has been bad and wasting good outings by the pitching staff. This is two years in a row where we slumped out of the gate offensively and pretty poorly. We need a new approach, fresh blood to come in to reassess things. As far as roster moves, there is no one in AAA that is going to make enough impact to warrant cutting someone lose. If there is a move made I hope that it is a trade of some type to bring in a everyday 2B that can lead off. yeah, the players are obviously not to be held accountable for their poor performance. lol @ blaming the hitting coach for guys that are slumping, that've been in the league for 10+ years i don't care who your hitting coach is, it's the players that have to translate that coaching to the field, and these guys aren't doing it, their poor performance right now is obviously mental as they're pressing too much *because* of the slump, it's most likely making it worse. it has nothing to do with Greg Walker, ffs.