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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 02:32 PM) Jon Heyman- told #whitesox not going for hideki #matsui, despite internet whispers. theyre looking for leadoff: podsednik, pierre, crisp? Isn't Cowley like traveling with Kenny and Ozzie? He might know more.

I feel that the Sox should act now. It seems like right now is our best chance to get him. Throw 2 years and $15 million at him, he'll probably take that. Playing the waiting game with two organizations with more money is dangerous.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 01:50 PM) The Sox already have Jones and Kotsay to keep everyone fresh, and there wouldn't be enough playing time to add Crisp to the picture as well. Matsui in the OF would be nothing but a hindrance. The other thing is, if they add Matsui now they have 5 players for 4 spots, (Matsui, Rios, Quentin, Kotsay, Jones) and only Rios belongs in CF. How excited would people be about occasionally seeing OF setups like Matsui-Jones-Quentin? That's just freaking abysmal. We may as well just trade all our SP since we'll be asking them to keep the ball in the infield all game. The Sox should draw a line in the sand with Matsui. I think he's an excellent hitter and would be a great fit here as a full-time DH, but if he wants to play LF then no way. You don't have to be honest with him at this point. It's not like you can put a clause in his contract saying he must play a certain position.

Why the hell would Matsui wait on the Yankees? They clearly don't want him back as an outfielder, that's basically what the Granderson deal said.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 01:00 PM) If he is available for a cheap prospect since obviously this wasnt in the Braves plans I wouldnt mind him, the bp would be taken care of. He's getting a lot of money through arbitration. I'd rather take my chances with Putz.

Matsui + Crisp = set offense. Add a reliever like Putz and the team is set.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 08:14 PM) Let him keep dreaming then. I like how we were closer to acquiring both guys when nobody even knew about it. Well, we actually did get one of them, so that's one big point to us.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 02:32 AM) If he gives up homers, Hawk can say, "You can Putz it on da boardz." Fixed

QUOTE (Sox72 @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 10:31 PM) Can someone explain to me why Curtis Granderson is being treated like a superstar? Maybe I'm missing something, but his stats just don't seem that great to me. I understand he's a great defensive center fielder, but I feel like this trade is being reported as a "blockbuster". I guess I just don't see it. He can play gold glove defense, hit 30 home runs, steal 30 bases. What's there not to like about him? He's probably not a superstar yet, but he sure does have superstar potential.

This team is horrible.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 07:40 PM) Teams will always overpay for pitching, always, doesn't matter economic climate. Designated hitters are a totally different animal. As for Scutaro; one of the highest spending teams desperately needed a SS, he was the #1 player available at that position (basically the only option) and he's a good defender coming off a very good year with the bat, it's only a 2 year commitment and $12.5M guaranteed, that's about what he was expected to make. Hideki Matsui is a 36 year old DH, there isn't a very large market for a player like that especially when teams have as little to spend as they do right now. The only way he gets close to that is if a team believes the increased Japanese advertising revenue will make up the difference. I understand he's 36 and he's a DH, but the numbers he put up last year did not show any sort of regression. Any 36 year old who goes for a .378 wOBA is pretty damn good. Since we're not going to commit long-term to him, giving him something along the lines of a 2 year $12 million doesn't seem realistic to me. That might work if we're willing to offer 3 years. But as others have said, maybe we can open up the wallet a bit since he does get attention in Japan.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 07:33 PM) He's not getting anything close to that. If Brad Penny can get one year and $7.5 million, what do you think Matsui can get? Hell, Scutaro got $6 million a year. Plus, we're competing with the Angels here for him.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 06:35 PM) Wow. Please tell me that trade is sarcastic, no one can be that stupid, not even a Cubs fan. Hendry's been dreaming that scenario up since 2007.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 07:22 PM) I really can't believe there is a White Sox fan alive that wants Milton Bradley on the White Sox. It really depends on the price. About Matsui's salary - I just don't see us paying him $4-6 million annually and him taking such an offer. He'd want at least around $8-10 million a year.

Yes, please. Putz can be insurance for Pena and Linebrink.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 11:07 AM) I can't post the full rant I usually do about BABIP but we can leave it at I'm not a believer in BABIP as a useful stat for hitters, and we don't need it to explain Carlos's aberrant stats last year. BABIP is not the only way to evaluate the "luck" of a hitter. You have to look at what type of balls he put in play as well.

What the hell? The D-Backs got screwed in this. Ian Kennedy? You serious? I understand that they got Jackson, but Ian Kennedy...?

Well, it bought out arbitration. Not a bad move.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 10:42 PM) Players offered arbitration and their decisions: ACCEPTED Rafael Betancourt Rafael Soriano. That's huge, that Atlanta bullpen just got significantly stronger and significantly more expensive. There almost has to be a trade made here. Carl Pavano Declined Brandon Lyon Jose Valverde Adrian Beltre Mike Gonzalez Joel Piniero Matt Holliday Fernando Rodney Brian Shouse Marlon Byrd Rod Barajas What do you guys think about picking up Brandon Lyon?

Edwin Jackson has very high appeal at this point. I don't know why the Tigers shouldn't trade him to get the most value, especially if they get Scherzer back.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 10:46 AM) His BABIP was low because he wasn't hitting, which there were other reasons for. Had nothing to do with luck Not entirely true. Quentin hit 16.3% line drives last year, a percent up from 2008, which means that his average should have been better than .230. His ground ball rate went down by 8% while his fly ball rate went up by 7%. It is true that fly balls are more likely to be outs than ground balls, but from what I remember, Carlos hit a lot of ground balls to third because he was rolling over the ball so much. I didn't remember him hitting as many lazy fly balls for easy outs. I do however, remember him getting robbed and hitting fly balls near the warning track. His HR/FB also went down by 6%, so there's part of the reason why he didn't hit that many home runs. If we get a spray chart with the ball locations for Quentin, we might actually see some fly balls that could have been home runs or some line drives that might have been snagged. That's my perception of it at least. Quentin was unlucky last year, but he was also stubborn with his approach, so you can't give him the full excuse.

I simply would not do this. It's simply a money issue. We have Quentin under control for at least 3 more years. Crawford's going to get paid after this one. Plus, we all know what Carlos can do when healthy.

Eh, I'd rather have Crisp than Pierre since he's much cheaper. Pierre's been a leadoff hitter all his life and he's never eclipsed 60 walks, that's horrible. If we want a leadoff man who will get on base, you do not get Pierre, especially considering he's going to cost you money and a player in return. They're pretty much the same in terms of speed and defense. Pierre is obviously faster than Crisp, but Crisp's defense is better.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 07:05 PM) Brad Penny signed a 1 year, $7.5M deal with the Cardinals. Really? $7.5 million? What he did in San Francisco did not justify $7.5 million. I understand it's only a one year commitment, but that seems a bit much.

Nope, do not need.