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mets and cespedes have a deal. 3 years guaranteed. opt out after 1. (jon heyman twitter)

Same sh** different day. #whitesoxoffseasons

Too expensive for Jerry's taste...

Cespedes deal with #Mets expected to be in three-year, $70M range with one-year opt-out. (ken rosenthal)

Source: #Mets closing in on Cespedes. (From Ken Rosenthal Twitter)

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:36 PM) I'm not your bro. And every team is mediocre without transcendent players. The Bulls have none. Until they can draft one, this is what you get every year. You can also sign big FAs or trade for stars. But Garpax doesn't do either of those things.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) How many teams passed on Draymond Green? You're so good at complaining about a front office that continually makes the playoffs often in a top 5 seed. Unless you can magically turn this team into the Warriors or the Cavs, you have no plan. You are a garpax apologist bro. Enjoy being mediocre.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:24 PM) Those are the types of picks you make when you're above average for so long. The Bulls would have to be awful to get a decent draft pick. I know like Draymond Green right?

All of you GarPax lovers, nice draft picks! Niko, Snell, McDermott! Great playing tonight!

Pax's GM Tenure - April 14, 2003 - May 21, 2009 12/1/2003 - Jalen Rose, Donyell Marshall, and Lonny Baxter for Antonio Davis, Jerome “Junk Yard Dog” Williams, and Chris Jefferies 12/16/2003 - Roger Mason Jr. for Rick Brunson 6/24/2004 - 2005 1st(#21 - Nate Robinson), 2004 2nd(31st overall), and cash for #7(Luol Deng) 8/5/2004 - Jamal Crawford(S&T) and Jerome Williams for Dikembe Mutombo, Othello Harrington, Frank Williams, and Cezary Trybankski 9/8/2004 - Dikembe Mutombo for Eric Piatkowski, Adrian Griffin, and Mike Wilks 10/4/2005 - Eddy Curry(S&T) and Antonio Davis for Mike Sweetney, Tim Thomas, Jermaine Jackson, 2006 1st round pick swap(LaMarcus Aldridge), 2017 1st(Joakim Noah) 6/28/2006 - #2(LaMarcus Aldridge) and future 2nd for #4(Tyrus Thomas) and Viktor Khryapa 7/14/2006 - Tyson Chandler for P.J. Brown and J.R. Smith 7/20/2006 - J.R. Smith for Howard Eisley and two 2007 2nds 8/18/2006 - Eddie Basden for Martynas Andriuskevicius 2/21/2008 - Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, Adrian Griffin, and 2009 2nd for Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, Shannon Brown, and Cedric Simmons 2/18/2009 - Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden, Cedric Simmons, and Michael Ruffin for Brad Miller and John Salmons 2/19/2009 - Larry Hughes for Tim Thomas, Jerome James, and Anthony Roberson 2/19/2009 - Thabo Sefolosha for 2009 1st(Taj Gibson) Gar's GM Tenure - May 21, 2009 - Present 1/25/2010 - Aaron Gray for Devin Brown 2/18/2010 - John Salmons, 2011 2nd, and 2012 2nd for Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander 2/18/2010 - Tyrus Thomas for Flip Murray, Acie Law, and a future first(the Charlotte pick) 6/24/2010 - Kirk Hinrich, 2010 #17(Kevin Seraphin), and cash for Vladimir Veremeenko and a TPE 7/9/2010 - Hakim Warrick(S&T) for Phoenix 2011 2nd 7/22/2010 - future 2nd for C.J. Watson 2/22/2011 - James Johnson for Miami(via Toronto) 2011 1st(Norris Cole) 6/24/2011 - Norris Cole, 2nd round pick #43(Malcolm Lee), and cash for #23(Nikola Mirotic) 7/16/2012 - Kyle Korver for a 5M TPE and cash 1/7/2014 - Luol Deng for Andrew Bynum, conditional 2014 Sacramento 1st, 2015 1st round pick swap option with Cleveland, and 2015 and 2016 Portland 2nds 1/21/2014 - Marquis Teague for Tornike Shengelia 6/26/2014 - 2014 #16(Jusuf Nurkic), 2014 #19(Gary Harris), and 2015 2nd for 2014 #11(Doug McDermott) and Anthony Randolph 7/14/2014 - Anthony Randolph and two future 2nds for…it’s not clear 7/14/2014 - Greg Smith for…it’s not clear 5).

I hope you all listened to Spiegel and Goff today talk about GarPax.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) What does Danks have to do with anything? At the time he signed that extension he was every bit as valuable as Cespedes and was worth every penny. It's not his or the Sox fault that his career got derailed by a major injury. I'm sorry I offended you.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Oh it's disappointing for sure, but the White Sox don't give out large contracts. It's just not what they do. Incredibly disappointing, incredibly unsurprising Unfortunately this is the truth.

20 mill a year for Cespedes is not that bad of a contract. I would be enraged if Sox don't compete with that offer. Freaking John Danks is making 15 million this year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:03 PM) If the Bulls "lucked into" Rose, GS lucked into Curry and Green, while the Spurs had the greatest luck of all for Duncan. Theres a difference between a #1 overall pick; and a #7 overall pick (MIN took 2 PGs ahead of Curry), and Draymond (Who Thibs wanted) was selected in the 20's after GarPax fave marquis teague. You can make an argument that it was lucky that no one took curry ahead of the Warriors, but it was not lucky they drafted draymond so late. That was good drafting. Just like it was great drafting by the bulls to get jimmy. I credit the bulls for late drafting. that is all though. they don't do anything else

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 04:06 PM) A) They've got an A+: Fantastic drafters, arguably the best. B) They've got a B+: They've signed Brewer, Korver, Boozer (who was good for the first two years), Robinson, Augustin, Bellinelli, Gasol, Dunleavy, etc. All of those signings worked out to some degree. C) James Johnson became Niko Mirotic. Tyrus Thomas became Doug McDermott who looks like he can be a solid role-player. They don't get creative in player-for-player trades or in-season deals, but they are plenty creative. *Lamarcus Aldridge turned into Doug McDermott. Skipped that part.

Questions for all you GarPax supporters: 1) How many coaches does Pax get to hire? 2) How many rebuilds do you give these guys? 3) An NBA FO has three responsibilities A) Drafting B) Free Agency C) Creativity in making your team better; has Gar Pax satisfied 2 of 3? 4) According to GarPax, this roster was championship ready with Thibs standing in the way, so now, since Thibs is gone, are the Bulls winning a title anytime soon?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) How about this: GarPax have drafted an MVP, a ROY (and a runner up), a DPOY, a sixth man of the year (and a runner up), four All-Stars, multiple All-NBA defensive players, and signed an All-NBA 1st Team center. Other than the Spurs, you'd be hard-pressed to find a better drafting team with the only blunders being Teague over Draymond and Snell. They've cleared space and tried to sign big tier free agents multiple times. But the Heatles happened and Melo decided money was better than winning. The Bulls didn't clear the decks for Melo. They gave him a 2 year deal. An insulting offer. And a big risk for Melo.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 03:35 PM) That is great, only two of them have actually built perennial winners / contenders. Paxson & Bowman. Period. End of Story. Cubs are sexy and 5 years from now they might have won their championship and be consistently contending and passing up one or both of the Bulls / Hawks, but until that has happened, they do not get that credit. And Ryan Pace, lol. I love what the dude has done but they aren't contenders today and he hasn't proven jack s*** about being able to build a contender (I like him, don't get me wrong, but Paxson has built a core of Curry / Hinrich / Deng / Gordon / Ben Wallace and than a core around Noah / Rose / Deng and than a core around Noah / Pau / Butler / Rose and well we'll see where next, but there have been a variety of cores, some which contended better than others, but all which were consistent winners (and during that time he's also been able to take shots at superstars..yes he has failed, but so did everyone else). I can see you are a gar pax believer. Using the word "core" and "hinrich" in the same sentence. Gross.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 03:31 PM) I just want to point out that outside of the Warriors, they have beaten all those teams on that list. The Bulls also have the highest winning percentage in the eastern conference vs. teams above .500 and the 2nd most wins vs. teams above .500 in the NBA (tied with the Spurs...whose winning percentage is significantly higher). Bulls winning percentage vs. .500 or better teams is 3rd in the NBA. Regular season record doesn't matter. Even according to the front office. They fired Thibs, not because of his regular season record, but because they were "worn out" by the time the playoffs came around. If you are going to convince yourself the this Bulls team is a contender go ahead though. Last time I checked a contender doesn't go double OT with the sixers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 03:29 PM) OK at drafting? You can't seriously look at this team, and call them OK. They have drafted and developed MULTIPLE All-stars in the sport that is the single hardest sport to get an all-star in. Even past Rose, you are neglecting Deng, Noah, and Butler. The Bulls aren't horrible at trades, they just don't make many trades. They are scared. Those are two different things. The Bulls suck at getting Grade A free agents, but have done amazing things at plucking players who are either no names, or fallen out of favor for some reason, and turning them into useful parts. The front office definitely doesn't give a s*** about public appearance, and I do get the feeling that they think coaching is not important. They don't give a S*** about public appearance? Gar Forman ran down from his suite, and publicly berated Jeff Van Gundy during a Bulls game because he was making fun of management. http://nypost.com/2015/02/27/why-you-wont-...-bulls-anymore/

QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 03:27 PM) *Waits three years for "FIRE PACE" thread* Or in your case Tony, *waits 20 years to post a fire paxson thread.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) Past the obvious #1 and #2, this is the worst possible listing. Hawks Cubs Bulls White Sox Bears Ryan Pace knows what he is doing. He's done a good job changing the roster and culture. Hired a good coach as well. Bears are on the up and up.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) This thread is cancerous and ozzfest has no logical basis to any of his arguments other than he wants to complain about the GarPax because he feels the need to b**** about them because as a hindsight revisionist GM, he knows EXACTLY what to do. I think it's logical to question a product that hasn't delivered for over a decade. Did you want Jerry Angelo fired? Do you think Kenny Williams should still be running the White Sox?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) You're choosing contenders over actual winners? I can't waste anymore time on this argument. It'd be one thing to argue whether this move/non-move or that move/non-move was good/bad. But you're basically arguing championship or bust in a league you don't seem to understand very well. So if that's your criteria, you're right, GarPax have been failures. To the rest of the rational world, they got unlucky with Rose and have been trying to deal with that huge gaping hole ever since. That provides them much more leeway than someone like KW that didn't just get unlucky but continually leveraged the future for short term gains, or the bears who just...well, i dunno what the hell they've been doing up until last year. 1) I measure success with championship contention. Key word: contention. 2) GarPax got unlucky with DRose? They we EXTREMELY lucky to have him in the first place, less than a 2% chance of winning that lottery 3) Did you like Keith Bogans and Ronnie Brewer as your SG duo going into 2011 playoffs? 4) Do you like that this FO gave money to Dunleavy and Hinrich? 5) DO you like that this FO hasn't made a freaking trade for a rotational player in five years? (Last trade was for Acie Law and Hakim Warrick. Pathetic)