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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 05:08 PM) Talking about Bogaerts is dumb because Boston isn't moving him, unless it for was Sale AND Q which would never happen. In the same vein, talking Sale is dumb since the Sox aren't moving him.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 05:00 PM) Have to get Urias back IMO. Any deal with the Dodgers sans Urias is a failure.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 04:57 PM) That's like Playstation. Make it happen KennyRick To be fair, Sale is also like Playstation.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 04:43 PM) @redsoxstats The reporters on MLB Network saying the Sox are in on Sale, Quintana, Joe Smith.. saying Sox could be after a Sale & David Robertson package Are they prepared to give up Moancada, Swihart, Benintendi, and Bogaerts? *That is officially the craziest "fleecing" deal I've ever typed out.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 04:29 PM) I have to say though...the Rangers/Dodgers fans are a little more realistic with their trade ideas than Red Sox fans. We should bow down to them for even the chance to talk to such a historic franchise about a trade. Will Middlebrooks for Quintana

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:04 PM) No, he let his brother and BJ Armstrong do that for him. Lets not forget when Reggie was going around telling everyone who would listen that Derricks supporting cast wasnt good enough. Derrick never stepped up and quieted that, to me that is just as bad as being passive aggressive through the media by yourself Derrick specifically avoided recruiting because he didn't want to undermine his teammates. Wasn't the best plan, but he appreciated his teammates.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) Jimmy. Derrick isn't passive aggressive, he's just pretty dim and oblivious to what goes on outside of his bubble. That's what I thought and I'd have to agree.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) He's sooooo passive aggressive and it makes him hard to root for unless it's like directly during a game. It drove me crazy last year. Jimmy or Derrick?

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) Joc Pederson has put up 4.3 fWAR, 39 HR, and a wRC+ of 113 in a season and a half. That's pretty damn good. After an ugly second half last year and this year he's been equal to Frazier, so this board would hate him. He also has more concerns now than he did going into last year. I'd still trade for him as part of a package.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) Things at the time that seem like great ideas don't work either. Matt Davidson, some couldn't believe the Sox fortune being able to get him. According to one very negative poster at the time of the trade, Davidson was the best 3B prospect available. The conversation was when does the Super 2 kick in. I posted BPs top 20 prospect list from 6 years ago on here a couple of months ago. If you had all of them, you would need a lot more help to be a playoff contender,just once in a while. Trading Sale with several years left on his contract better get you back actual future stars, not just guys that look like they may be them, or your rebuild makes no sense. And that is hard to do. This is my point when I say no guarantees. It could very well be the correct move, but we need to learn to not count our chickens before they hatch in trades.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) It is. I think it would be pretty awesome for him to make his debut with the Sox. He pitched for both Arizona and Cincinnati at the MLB level.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?c...mp;ymd=20160722 Full schedule of action. Holmberg and Adams debut with Charlotte and Birmingham, respectively. So weird having Holmberg back. I keep thinking that.

Ugh, Kaine's a safe pick but I was praying for Warren v. Pence debates.

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 12:48 PM) This is the stuff that drives me nuts. You're 100% correct that those two, in particular, suck. But your comment/opinion is so far off-base. If the Sox are selling, you're acquiring "Elite prospects" in my eyes. Guys who are top 10, 20, 30 and in some cases 40 overall in baseball. But something about them is ELITE. Most of them would come from Sale and Q deals, I pray somehow they can max out value on Frazier, Robertson, Abreu and Eaton to at least get 1 guy on that level. Those guys being acquired, in most cases, are guys who have proven success in the minors or college and are ready for the show. Their chances of not panning out are still there but far less. The expectation is this guy's floor is still a serviceable mlb player. Their peak are guys like Bryant, Fernandez, etc. That is the goal here. There is a major difference between the guys up at the top of those lists and the guys at the bottom. You'll always have guys who don't pan out, but if you want to build a real contender...The Trouts, Harpers, Strasberg's etc come from the top. That is what you're attacking when you're selling these types of talents. Davidson was never remotely in that realm. I think his highest ranking was mid-70's. Which is a good prospect but it also tells you a lot. When you talk about Davidson and using him as an example for what the Sox should do, you're comparing the chances at acquiring a Machado to acquiring a Zach Cozart. I used Cozart because he actually is playing well, and that's what you hope when you get a guy like him, but it requires far more development. He'll also never be on the same planet as Machado and there is a higher risk of not panning out - like a Davidson. Garcia is in the same boat. Very flawed prospect. Detroit loved him, which is great, but no one else seemingly did. He reminds me of Lyle Mouton. This big guy with hype and couldn't hit the ball out of the park if he hit from 2nd base. I fully expect the Sox to get several of these types of players if they sell. Which isn't a bad thing if they get a handful of elite prospects. Then you aren't relying on those Davidson's to save your farm/franchise. But the core of what you're acquiring needs to be proven commodities on other teams. Prospects who have dominated, not played well/ok and show promise. Not guys with one pitch and nothing else. You're getting guys like Urias who ceiling is an ace and floor appears to be a middle rotation arm. My biggest fear is the Sox go after the wrong talent at the top. The 5 tool guys that have been a staple of Kenny Williams failures. If you do, his biggest strength better be his bat because we struggle developing offense. Guys who hit the ball with regularity, and do it well, and can play good defense. Load up with bats. I don't care if the guy has an 80 for speed or 80 for an arm. I want the guys who can play. My other concern is you get too young of players who we are forced to develop. Too much can go wrong in that timespan. The younger they are, the less sample size you have, the higher the risk. San Diego did the right thing for them. They dealt a guy who never has thrown 100 innings, cost them nothing to acquire, and they went boom or bust on a young highly talented arm. The Sox need to be acquiring that same caliber arm AFTER he has proven himself, developed secondary stuff and is ready to come up. That is the major difference here. Some of those guys will likely come in trades, but they just can't be what you're banking on to resurrect the franchise. But back to the original point, you can't look at the past failures of the Sox acquisitions because most of them were what they could get for what they dealt. We got Avi for Peavy, who was 32, declining and frankly sucked 3 of 4 years here. We got Davidson for Reed, who was a 1 year wonder basically as a closer. This time is a whole different animal. You're selling very good/star players in their primes for several "can't miss" type guys who will be on your roster in 2016 or 2017. Maybe 2018 latest. The middle-tier Davidsons that round out packages hopefully are guys you hope pan out, or they get moved for an MLB player when the time is right. Ok, such as former sure-fire thing Joc Pederson who has crashed and burned since his AS appearance. Or Gordon Beckham, someone that Derek Jeter and Steve Stone would be a multiple MVP award winner and was picked for the 2010s all-decade team, with elite defense and bat speed. I'm not saying don't make the deals, but don't expect them to be surefire successes either.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 12:19 PM) So Hahn took a job where KW would use him as a puppet? Have you ever had a boss before?

QUOTE (bjm676 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:25 AM) This sounds like a good plan to start. My hope is that Q is the only one traded. I'd hate to see him go, like all of us would. Also, no guarantee that Shields is even around next year. He could opt out, especially with how bad the FA market is next year. Then they are creating even more holes in their team. If they keep Sale, then they would have a possible rotation of sale/Rodon/Fulmer/Gonzalez/? If Q is traded, I'd be fine seeing Frazier, Melky, Robertson, Jennings and Duke finding new homes

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:58 AM) How in the world do you build a core around those guys before Sale hits free agency in three years? Collins might only need one season in the minors, but even college guys like Call & Fisher will need two. And honestly, there isn't much there after those three except for maybe Engel & Trey M and both are huge wild cards at this point. Honestly, there's no rational argument to hold onto Sale & Quintana at this point. One's a Hall of Fame caliber pitcher and the other is an ace. Maybe it works out, maybe it's a scenario with two King Felixs. But everyone wants to emulate the Cubs - yeah, they traded Samardzjia, but their rotation is big FA signings and a failed prospect suddenly becoming god.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) I wouldn't be bummed either but if a team offers a huge haul in the next 10 days, I wouldn't be too upset if they dealt either. This is about where I'm at. If we build the next core around Sale, Q, Rodon, Fulmer and Anderson I won't be mad. Maybe Eaton and Abreu stick around. Pray that Hostetler's drafts keep looking positive.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:39 AM) We are gonna be so bummed when we trade Melky Cabrera for some 8-10 team prospect. I won't be bummed to keep Sale and Q. Still have the rotation set for four years basically with that. Davidson and Avi should be warnings of "we'll just trade for a Top 100 prospect and they'll plug in automatically."

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) He has said that a few times. I don't think he's a Republican, just pro-Trump. Yeah, I'm just saying, the speech won't go down for being energetic or anything. But for basically being a eulogy at best, a "this is how liberty dies" Star Wars reference at worst.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) Jim Bowden ESPN Senior Writer Dodgers have been extremely aggressive pursuing the games best starting pitchers.... available or not...willing to offer huge prospect packages...they appear committed to having a much different approach to this deadline than they did last year when their moves brought in the likes of Mat Latos, Alex Wood, Bronson Arroyo and Jim Johnson among others. This year they're chasing the Archers, Sales, Quintana's and every other top pitcher. They will be a team to watch over next 10 days Urias needs to be headlining a package for Q or Sale. Then a lot more, but Urias for sure.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 02:06 AM) A speech that will go down in history. The energy in that building was insane. It will likely go down in history as the eulogy of the GOP

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:56 PM) I agree but wait until he is at least legal drinking age before you declare him bad. He can drink away your criticism then. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 01:49 AM) Yep, ready for a rebuild. \ For real. If we expect a 19-year-old who has been hurt to light the world on fire and are declaring him a bust, a rebuild will suuuuuuck for people.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 06:06 PM) I want Abreu gone ASAP. I think he's older than he says he is and it's obvious that he's already breaking down physically. The Sox need to trade him before he turns into Avisail Garcia Jr. This is such a tired accusation of every Cuban player at this point. Every. Single. One.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) They did not blow it with Peavy. Aside from Avi they got Frankie Montas (a very legit prospect used to acquire Frazier), JB Wendelken (part of the Lawrie trade) and Cleuluis Rondon (jury's still out on, still young). Not to mention the fact that the money saved from moving Peavy was used to sign Abreu the following offseason. Yup. A Top 100 prospect + two elite tooled fliers (Montas' fastball, Rondon's defense) and a projectable reliever isn't blowing a trade for a rental pitcher.