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QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 06:54 PM) I'd care more if I thought this team was in a position to compete next season. Let the guy learn. If we're terrible, perhaps that will be it for Williams. I preferred Dave Martinez too, but I wasn't shocked. It was a White Sox type of move. Kind of like the same feeling I have on draft day when they do what they do. This is exactly what I'm going to have work through over the next few months. I love my White Sox passionately. I just haven't cared very much for their present caretakers.

QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 06:42 PM) I like the Sox being honest with this move and admitting the truth that they have no chance to win the division next year. They're future begins by developing their young talent and working through KW's mess of bad deals and bad contracts over the next few years. But see, that's just it. How can we work through all of his Kenny's mess with him still there?

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 06:36 PM) Well Sox have now hired the complete left side of the Sox infield in the 90's. I guess Big Frank will be the next manager starting with the right side. Wilbur Wood for pitching coach - at least he knew how

QUOTE (MAX @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 06:13 PM) I think he meant/said with conviction. OK. Y'all keep telling me one of Robin's strengths was he could speak English. Is that now suspect too? All I can do is LOL over this mess, it's just not worth getting upset about. I won't renew and life will go on.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 06:10 PM) Underwhelming press conference. We'll see. Two years of sucking and high draft picks wouldn't be the worst thing for this organization if they're willing to put the cash in the farm system. High draft picks? That's what I get for my season tickets - high draft picks? And who's going to do the picking pray tell...oh, let me guess...

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:25 PM) Adam Dunn will eat him. that's hilarious..i needed that one...what a freaking joke of an organization this is... If Rickets hires Epstein and Francona, Reinsdorf is finished.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:39 PM) Insight into Robin : "I'm not a big rules guy". "I haven't really talked to Kenny about that yet" Uh? Does he eat at the grown folks table at home?

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:46 PM) I was just about to say this. This is our Vinny Del Negro move, this is us stalling for time. We're going to tread water for a couple of years before we decide to actually spend money again. Or Reinsdorf finds a buyer

QUOTE (OilCan @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:26 PM) And one of my favorite White Sox becomes the new Manager. WOW. What a day. I wonder how many people who said the same thing about Ozzie still fell that way now?

QUOTE (W1CK3D @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:24 PM) The more and more Kenny talks, the more and more I like this move. Wow..

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:58 PM) Love it hard. I think people complaining don't know s*** about Robin. You're missing the point. This has nothing to do with Ventura. This speaks directly to the ownership and his front office and the contempt they have for the fan base. This is a charter member of MLB and it's being treated like an expansion team.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 06:48 PM) How often does this happen in modern baseball, for someone with no prior experience in ANY form of coaching to be given a major league managers job? It's not even an issue of mine that he'll be over his head (I personally believe it's always more a "you have to earn your dues" type of job), but what it suggests with Williams. I just see this as a manager who will be constantly under the direction of the GM. In some ways, I can cheer the oversight-- Guillen was reluctant to sit veterans and give rookies extended playing time. If Ventura does this s*** Willaims can give him a kick in the ass. But, the game is about respect, too -- and I wonder how the players will react to him. Overall, I don't have a problem with the hiring. The team will likely have a few mediocre seasons as it is, and if they're attempting to rebuild then it won't matter who is managing the team. None of this is can be very good. Williams is atrocious at this own job.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:50 PM) Dude played 16 seasons in the league. Outside of Alomar having a little bit of experience, he was basically as green as Ventura. Only difference, the media was selling Alomar as a candidate for a while. The reality is, Alomar's limited exposure with Cleveland isn't going to by far and away make him more ready to be a manager than Ventura. Personally I always thought Alomar would make a great manager and would have loved to have him. But based upon ex players comments, it sounds like Ventura has a lot of those same qualities that I liked about Alomar and he has 16 years of experience in major league clubhouses being a leader and "winner". And he's seen different types of clubhouses, whether it was the White Sox clubhouse in the 90's or the Mets for a couple years or even the Yankees clubhouse. Well you can be sure Robbin won't have a quarter of a billion dollars in payroll to buttress him - or be still my beating heart - is that the next bulletin out of 35th street

QUOTE (Soxman72 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:47 PM) It was obvious that we were going to get a first time manager (Martinez, McEwing, Alomar). They were not going to give Francona big money. They were not going to get in a bidding war with Boston or anyone else for Martinez (I have read and heard he will be an option in Boston). The Sox are going to get younger, dump salary, and Robin seems like a good baseball person and he is well respected. I love how people are giving up on a guy that has not even been given a chance yet. He could be great or he could be real bad, but hiring a guy with little experience should not be surprising. Baseball history has a ton of examples of young mangers doing well and winning. I am happy with the hire knowing the direction the team will be going in. This isn't really all that different from the hiring of our last manager. I didn't care for that move either. Imagine those poor folks down in Miami hearing Ozzie say he's just in it for the money - doesn't give a damn about championships. He's been down there for 1 week, hasn't managed even a simulation game and he's already a public relations nightmare. And this is what we had here for what 6 or 7 years?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:36 PM) If u are gonna hire Robin ... why didn't they just hire Coop? And make Robin bench coach. Very dumb move IMO. the hallmark of great managers is their ability to handle a pitching staff. with Coop there, we'll never know how much of these managerial decisions are Robin's or Coop's. Ventura has got to be able to stand up to Coop. This is why you never saddle an incoming manager with a ready-made coaching staff. If Robin hadn't formulated such plans about a staff - he has no business being a manager. And frankly, I'm not that impressed with Coop anyway. I wanted the entire coaching staff gone.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) Answer this seriously... Who would you rather have been named today? Steve Stone or Robin? I'd say Stoney. I think Stoney knows he'll be broadcasting a bad team for a few years. I wanted Stone for GM. I doubt Ventura would have followed.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:29 PM) Steve Stone: "Very nice guy and good third baseman. Had wonderful career." Can you say daming with faint praise?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:26 PM) Exactly. Why do they deserve the benefit of the doubt? They've made nothing but incorrect moves for years now, and we're supposed to just give them the benefit because they hired a guy with no experience whatsoever when there were about 5 guys with experience and/or credentials available? No experienced manager was coming in here to deal with Kenny and already have most of his decisions made for him. KW should just manage the damn himself and really save Reinsdorf some money.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:20 PM) Well Robin as a player was the antithesis of Ozzie, so unless he drastically changes who he is, you have to expect he will coach the same way as he plays. In fact, how do you know how Dave Martinez would coach, hes never managed before. Of all sports, baseball is the one where the manager needs the least amount of experience. Its such a simple sport to manage. I can't tell with most of clowns Reinsdorf has hired

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) Should probably give the guy a chance. I've been in just as much of an uproar as anyone at the direction of the organization but we literally know NOTHING about Robin as a manager. I'm very confused by the move but I'm not angry about it, Robin might just be a very bright manager, we have to wait and see. Let him cut his teeth elsewhere...oh but if he did and turned out to be a good manager, Reinsdork wouldn't sign him because he'd be too expensive. Does the Google CEO like baseball?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:16 PM) For the record, this type of move has JR written all over it... Jerry must figure 12/21/12 is the end anyway and he's gonna take it with him

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:50 PM) Translation: "I was looking for a cheap yes man" The old 60's song.."i"m your puppet"

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 08:21 PM) Holy obscurity! The bottom line Robin is the White Sox are no better than the third best team in their division and there are easily 7 teams in the American League superior to them. And this is before the hot-stove trading and free-agent signings which we've already been told the Sox will not be active participant. Unless MLB is moving to an NBA type of playoff system which would have them playing the World Series a week before spring training starts, the only way you'll ever see the Sox in the playoffs is for them to win their division. There are several well-heeled owners that will see to it that won't happen.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) https://twitter.com/#!/scottmerkin/stat...968579180019714 Scott Merkin Ken Williams today on Chris Sale in 2012: "“He’ll be moved to the rotation, or he will be given every opportunity in the rotation." 2 minutes ago via web Let's see you hampered the incoming manager with a pitching coach he may or may not care for and another coach who is the Joe of Hardrock, Coco and Joe Now he's rounding out the rotation and I guess tomorrow we'll get the opening day lineups. Kenny's saying he didn't have a chance to fail under his own merit, he'll be damned if the next manager will be given that chance. This is why loathe Reinsdorf - it's just never ending drama. Who in their right mind would be bothered with this organization?