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wow does Quentin suck so bad vs Pavano in his career

so dumb giving up that run in the 8th, should have pulled out gavin

good thing CLE is winning so far at least we dont lose a game in the division, if CLE holds up

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 12:54 PM) So you think Peavy can be an ace again this year? Most certainly, we have seen some flashes of his former self. I think as the season goes on and moving further away from that lat surgery giving him more strength would make him better.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 10:37 AM) Can he play LF? LOL, funny thing is Peavy has a few Hr in just 412 ABs while Pierre can only muster 1 in 600 AB.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 11:34 PM) Of course, I'm of the opinion that in the long run this year, we're a better team without Jake Peavy on the roster. Well, then the shot at winning anything is extremely slim then unless KW sells the farm for a #1 pitcher which won't happen cuz our farm system sucks

So great now Dunn and Rios haven't played in two days and will now carry their cold bat once we start again.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:31 PM) Let us all gather by the river... The Ole Miss and throw those ole Twinkies in the water. Let's sweep! IF we don't get a sweep I would be disappointed.... this lineup is worse than Oaklands and Seattle

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:13 PM) Yeah, I just hate looking in the rear-view mirror and seeing this frigging team, especially given the Sox recent history against them. They've been winning ballgames lately, 9-3 in June. In six of those they've score 6+ runs (Sox did this as well). all they did was pick on KC and CLE

QUOTE (Cali @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) The interview after the last game of the A's series with Santos was pretty telling. He didn't seem nervous or pissed at himself for almost blowing another one. He was composed and calm. He seems to have the right closer's mentality, and you could see that going back to "The Club" last year. Also, he's a converted SS, which seems to help for closers for some reason haha Ya Santos was cool about it, Thornton if I recall from the videos wasn't as calm as Santos, and was profane at some instances which I understand would happen when you blow so many leads. But Santos seems better suited for the closer's role.

Time for Gavin to go on his annual midsummer rampage which starts in June. Go get em!

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 03:45 PM) Uh, have you seen sergio pitch lately? That's exactly my point. When thorton failed he just wasn't throwing any of his pitches very well. I think he has reigned control in and could now perform. Do you think its a mental thing? Ya Santos has hit a bump on the road, but I don't think you yank him yet after just one blown save this past 2 weeks. I certainly do believe there is a different mental aspect between the 8th and 9th innings. It might not be that great of a deal for the pitcher but for hitters they certainly bat different. B/c it is ur last shot at scoring runs so the batting approach/mentality is certainly different. It just makes it that much easier for the hitters to cue up on a fastball when they know that is coming.

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) I'd like to see thorton back in there right now, personally, to see if he can hack it. It would be nice to see this team make moves before their non-decisions bury them. Thornton had his chance and failed we can no longer take the risk of losing games where we have the lead in the 9th and should win. Thornton serves best as an 8th inning relief man, what he has done best in his career with the White Sox.

Anybody think this lead-off hitter thing is over rated. Well I mean yea we would like some one who is speedy and could get on base, some one in the mold of Juan Pierre (when he was good years ago). But I think its over blown we should just put a good bat up at the top, which seems to be like Alexei, Lillibridge as the ideal candidates.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) This team is going to be like the 2010 Blue Jays. All power, no on-base. It sucks that our only reliable on-base guy happens to be one of the slowest guys in the majors, lol. Not quite Jays of 2010 had like one guy hitting over .275 and that was John Buck with .281 avg. And a lot of their guys are either hit or miss which resulted in their high Power and high Ks. At least our guys put the ball in play.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) Currently, the White Sox have the 6th best OBP in the AL (conveniently the Blue Jays are 5th). If Rios and Dunn were hitting their weights, then the Sox would probably have the 3rd best OBP in the AL. (Detroit is #3 with a .330 OBP, the Sox are 6th with a .327. Boston and NYC are well ahead of everyone else) Quite sure Blue Jays OBP is heavily impacted by Bautista's .500 OBP. There is nothing to really worry about cuz we are only removing Pierre and it's not like we are getting any significant production from his bat. Any bat replacing him is great.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 03:00 PM) You're going to call me crazy and I would too. Viciedo. LOL not bad I wouldn't mind that but I was thinking prolly after Dunn batting 6th.... so we would have Quentin, Konerko, Dunn and Viciedo, that would be awesome. But Viciedo batting 2nd ain't bad either.

Ok so you guys want Alexei to lead off fair enough, so who hits 2nd?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 02:18 PM) That's the other thing. I don't care how you get on base, just do it. At this point, you're looking at a .350 OBP from Alexei and a .260 from Rios. Even if Rios started to hit well, his OBP wouldn't be any higher than .340 - .350. That's just the kind of hitter he is. Ya true but I am not questioning Ramirez ability to to succeed at the lead off spot. It just that we are removing one of our potent bat from the heart of the order where runs are produced and knowing Ozzie he would prolly put Rios at the 5th or 6th slot no less which will lead to failure.

QUOTE (SoxnGiants @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) Ahhh, no. Your stats show that Alexei's BB per at bat % is 2% higher than Rios'. This year Alexei has drawn about 38% more walks than Rios. BB per plate appearance should have more significance in this case when we are viewing the 2 players. As the ability of drawing a walk between both players are pretty similar.

But I don't get why you would not want Rios lead off and rather have him hit like 5th/6th behind our top hitters where he hits .140 with runners on, where as Alexei bats over .300 with runners on base.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 01:42 PM) 6.3% * 140% = 8.8%. I was trying to come at how Alexei BB% is ~2% higher than Rios. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

QUOTE (SoxnGiants @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) Ahhh, no. Your stats show that Alexei's BB per at bat % is 2% higher than Rios'. This year Alexei has drawn about 38% more walks than Rios. That was what I was trying to come at, how Alexei BB% is only ~ 2% higher than Rios'

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) Alexei draws 2% more walks than Rios if you don't think that the current Alexei is any different than the 2008 version when he never walked. This year, Alexei's drawn nearly 40% more walks than Rios. False. 2011 Alexei has a 8.7 BB%, Rios has 6.3%, this year. So pretty much 2.4% difference, Kind of off from 40%. Alexei is pretty much inline with his 09' BB% while Rios is around his career norm. But ya I get what you mean that Alexei is better at getting a BB. But wouldn't you rather have Alexei than Rios with runners on hitting infront of or behind our sluggers.

I personally think Rios is better suited for the lead off role on this team, it should take off some pressure from him. Pretty much all he should be focused on is getting on base rather than come up with a clutch hit to cash in our usual base runners when he hits behind Quentin and PK. He has failed miserably with runners on: Bases Empty: .255 avg, .295 OBP, 3 Hr Runners On: .147 avg, .219 OBP, 1 Hr RISP: .140 avg, .206 OBP