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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 01:06 PM) Even while hitting .302, he still only put up a .349 OBP. His OBP is incredibly base-hit heavy. Alexei is, quite simply, a more patient hitter than him (yes, let that sink in, then go check his 2009-2011 numbers. Yea Alexei has possibly shown more patience at the plate however both players ability to draw walks are pretty much similar (Alexei draws 2% more walks that Rios) I would rather have Alexei hit farther down in the line up in a Run producing role rather rather than Rios. It all comes down to who would you rather have when you need to score some runs I would rather choose Alexei (eventho he has been frustrating to watch with all those DPs)

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) This is true but players don't look at it that way. The guy who bats leadoff is only supposed to worry about getting on base and moving runners along. That is their mindset. Just like the "closers" position where people think there is no difference between facing the opposing team's best hitters in an important situation in the 7th or the 9th. In a player's mind there is a big difference. If they blow it in the 7th, the team can still come baqck in the 8th and 9th. If you blow it in the 9th, game over. This is why some hitters can't hit leadoff and some pitcher's can't close. It's a mind set of the player. I'm all for Viciedo getting a chance, he looks like he can be good if he keeps the Ks down. However you need to make sure the player that is going to the leadoff spot is mentally tough enough. I don't think Rios has the mental makeup, based on previous situations and I'm not sure Lillibridge is talented enough for a full season. Rios did lead off in Toronto in 2006 where he hit .302 that season, so I think he is very much capable given that task however this is not the same Rios from the past, until he shows that he is out of his crazy season long funk then we could experiment him in the leadoff spot.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 02:44 AM) greg, step back for a moment and ask yourself what about pierre's game THIS YEAR has been 'moderately productive' stop looking at his career as a whole, and look at 2011 by itself. Juan Pierre is the 2nd worst player in the MLB if you look at his WAR.

If Dayan is called up and lets say he is a regular somehow... where would does he play... RF? Now Quentin has played some pretty decent D in right so would they actually want to move him over to LF where who knows if he regresses over there. Or do we put Viciedo in LF? Any1 know if one is easier than the other?

I guess we should be cheering for CLE in their series vs DET

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 09:02 PM) Viciedo is pitching now? LOL Ya he might put an end to our closing miseries. Nah but on a serious note hopefully we can have Peavy healthy by then, cuz we might as well get a prospect for a guy that will leave at the end of the season. And we might be able to pry away one of the more talented Yankees prospects as they are desperately in need of pitching since Colon hit the DL now.

how bout we deal Jackson and Teahan to like the Yankees thats the only way Dayan can be a regular.

Lillibridge - CF Ramirez - SS Quentin - RF/LF Konerko - 1B Pierzynski - C Viciedo - LF/RF Dunn - DH Beckham - 2B Morel - 3B now thats how the lineup should look like, can swap AJ with Dunn if Dunn keeps up his streak. Put Dayan in DH against lefties and Rios back starting in CF. Only way this is possible is to get rid of Pierre. Are their any teams that are in need of a leadoff man or speedy guy so we can unload Pierre

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) That is not a new phenomenon either... I know ehh I swear this has been the same trend from previous seasons as well it's ridiculous which is what drives the fan base crazy.

http://waswatching.com/2011/06/08/a-l-stan...-%E2%89%A5-500/ interesting note... again it's just mindboggling how this team fares better vs team over .500 (THEY HAVE THE MOST WINS AGAINST OVER .500 TEAMS IN THE AL!!) compared to against those under .500. And from here on out till the AS break we have only 1 series against a team over .500, the Dbacks. If only had we played the crappy teams like the way we play against contenders. I just can't see why this team can't do it. Something interesting tho is from what Paul Konerko bought up in the Red Sox series is that the White Sox fed off the energy from the atmosphere at Fenway Park. White Sox swept Red Sox. I wonder if there is a correlation between White Sox winning and the attendance factors at the game. Quite interesting to me.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) Peavy trade due to ridiculous amount of money we have tied up in him. With Jackson the money wasn't the type to really impact your budget Ya but we gave up better talent than Jackson himself to get him. And Jackson time with the Sox is ticking away either thats at the trade deadline or the end of the season while Hudson would have been in the team control for several years. I truly believe KW probably got spurned by the Washington GM since he prolly believe to flip Jackson for Dunn cuz no way do you get some1 worse than the guy you are giving up which is the case in Hudson for Jackson.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) Peavy, by a landslide. and why is that... we gave up our lone legit pitching prospect in our system for Jackson for his what 1.5 year service cuz no way do I see the Sox paying him 10+ millions that he is most likely gonna get.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 02:59 PM) Again, he's gotten people out for years without secondary pitches, the problem was suddenly his first pitch was totally being hammered. 9th inning is different from the 8th inning no matter what pitchers say.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 02:30 PM) Other than Heads and Joecool, nobody on this site thought Humber would be worth s***. And NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY!, thought Lillibridge would morph into a 2009 Ben Zobrist clone. So the haha I told you so bit doesn't fly. That said, the White Sox are in third place. They're still below .500. And they still have a lot of question marks. Let's wait until they're in first place by a few games before all the I told you so's start rolling in. Whoa are ppl actually thinking Lillibridge is the next upcoming of Zobrist. Not to take anything away from what Lillibridge has achieved this season with us so far but comparing him to the next Zobrist is a quite a stretch indeed. Now I hope this guy can maintain what he's doing and is a regular in the lineup and help the Sox win

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 02:53 PM) Thornton's failure had nothing to do with him being LHed, and everything to do with him suddenly becoming totally ineffective. Thronton's failure is not only cuz of his lack of effectiveness but primarily the lack of any secondary pitches.

I wouldn't rule out the fact they wouldn't have wanted to save the ~6.5 million on Gonzalez's contract. This is the same team that got rid of their alltime great Trevor Hoffman as well.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 02:35 PM) Gonzalez wasn't a salary dump at all. It came down to money just like how it came down to money as well for Peavy.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) Not the point. It just sounds like the OP is trying to write off the Indians because of a slump, and then makes fun of people who wrote off the White Sox because of their slump. Well he;s writing em' off due to the lack of talent to be in contention while you really couldn't write of the Sox cuz they had far superior talent.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:45 PM) Edwin's been pretty solid after April. He deserves a little confidence. Million Dollar Qs: Which trade was worse: Jackson or Peavy. I say Jackson.

Ok I have heard plenty of rumbling lately on MLB league realignment. They are thinking of making each league carry 15 teams rather than the current 16 to 14. Also have been talks to get rid of divisions and let top 5 teams make the playoffs from each league. Now this would be a big blow to the White Sox, since their legit playoffs chances are from the crowning of the AL Central. Imagine if top 5 teams make it, then we gotta compete with: Red Sox, Yankees, Rangers, Rays, Blue Jays, Tigers. Heck Blue Jays and Rays may be even better since they will no longer have that many games vs their AL east rivals.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:53 PM) IIRC, the Cubs never made an official offer. And from everything I've heard, this wasn't just a salary dump for San Diego. They had concerns about how Peavy's arm was going to hold up after tons of innings/sliders. I dunno if an official offer came down but Cubs were pursuing Peavy that Winter Meetings, but I can tell you the reason why the Cubs didn't land Peavy was due to the uncertainty around their ownership and what their payroll will be as a result of the ownership change. Well if it wasn't for salary dump why they got rid of Peavy then I guess they traded Adrian Gonzalez as well cuz they thought his arm couldn't hold up either. Padres organization was a complete mess with their ownership.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) You don't seem to get it. The Padres didn't want the package we gave them. They settled for it. They wanted, and basically had to, rid themselves of his salary. They can't have one guy, especially a pitcher, taking up that much of their payroll. So by that criteria alone they win. We took on a humongous risk and Peavy to this point has been, well, s***. Now I keep hearing about this insurance policy. I have no idea what the Sox are actually saving or whatever. And I'm certain they won't divulge that info. But it certainly can't be enough to override the fact we've got expensive dead weight continually rotting on the DL. Ya the Padres were in a mess financially, but hey they felt that the White Sox offer was better than that of the Cubs and Braves whom were in the run for pursuing Peavy during the Winter Meetings of that year.(which looking back at the Padres would have certainly dealt PV to another team since considering they would have gotten far better talent). So they don't exactly win the trade as to this day Padre fans are bitter over the fact that Peavy was traded, so I dunno how you came down to the conclusion they won as they have lost a ton from ticket sales due to the drop in attendance after that trade.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:21 PM) Wait, what? First of all, why did you quote yourself? Second, a clubhouse leader and he rubs off on everybody else? Um, ok. Peavy has been a massive bust and even the most optimistic fans can't dispute that. Phil Humber has done more for us in just over two months than peavy has done for us since the summer of '09. Damn ya that was my bad i was supposed to quote the post above my bad LOL... well now about ur post, I certainly understand that but it is way too soon to label him as a bust, if the guys that we gave up were producing then you could say its a bust... but they have not, the White Sox did not lose out on any great talent. Its only been money which is I believe covered by the insurance policy that was signed with the Padres at the time of that contract extension he got.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:17 PM) Haha...we've gotten 29 IP of basically league average production out of him this season thus far. He's been paid approximately $6.62 million thus far this year. So that means we're paying him $228,000 AN INNING for league average production. Since we acquired Jake, we've paid him roughly $25 million dollars for 156 IP. And outside of 3 meaningless starts in 2009, he's been league average for his entire time here. So thus far, we've paid Jake $160,256 per inning for league average production. Yes, that is an absolute disaster. Ya those 3 starts may have been meaningless to the standings but ironically those 3 starts were wat triggered the the downfall of Peavy pitching wise. Ya he might recover completely but he looks completely off of what he was is SD.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:05 PM) Yea certainly understand in that perspective. But i know there has been some rumbling about that insurance policy so who knows if the White Sox actually lost money there. But yea I guess we can only judge the trade until Peavy's tenure in Chicago comes to an end whenever that is. But I gotta agree with KW about having no regrets trading for Peavy tho as the team did lack a true #1 ace. I also gotta say its been more than an onfield thing... I don't think its a coincidence that White Sox are under .500 while Peavy is shelved while at least about ~15 games over .500 when Peavy is not on the DL. This is guy is a clubhouse leader, and it has been noted his positive characteristic has certainly rubbed off some of his teammates where they perform better as well. Bottom line the team play better when Peavy is in the house and that's not only in Peavy starts.