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QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 07:30 PM) She doesn't even drink anymore, but was persuaded by my buddy because it was a "special occasion", I wouldn't consider my buddy and I "random" dudes, she wasn't really "naked" per say as she had panties on and a shirt around her neck, and yeah, and she did grab his dick to try and get him to let go of her. I've taken money out of my mom's coin purse before, so does that make me a thief now? You are trying so hard to make excuses for this girl. So fine, this girl was swimming in the pool with two dudes who weren't her boyfriend, she was wearing panties and a shirt that allowed free viewing of her tits, and she was grabbing another dude's cock. Some improvement. That's like replacing Jaime Navarro with Jim Parque. Still sucks. And yes, if you took money out of your mom's purse, you're a thief. Not much of one, but you still took it. You can't bend morals, dude. Stealing is stealing, cheating is cheating, and being a whore is being a whore.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 07:45 PM) you're dreaming Don't piss on my hopes and dreams, man. With this team, they're all I got!

I'm done with this game. Seriously, our efforts are pathetic against the Twins. But I wish I had the guts to just quit on this team entirely until Ozzie was fired and a whole load of other problems sorted out. Sadly, I know I'll be back here on my couch with my computer on my lap tomorrow, just waiting to be punched in the brain once more.

Ballgame. I hope a lot of careers are ended tonight.

I wish Gavin nothing but the worst in his career, which is hopefully short and elsewhere. Good riddance, loser.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 07:29 PM) Everyone is quick to trade Edwin Jackson but I rather keep him and try and trade Gavin. Edwin has nasty stuff though. Don Cooper can work with that. Gavin, not so much, and he's a mental midget to boot.

Gavin can't even throw strikes. One of my best friends is a huge Phillies fan. I always text him and plead for him to take Gavin back. And he never knows why. He seems to think Floyd is the cat's tits. I wish Kenny could convince another GM of this.

If Gavin never pitches for us again, I'll be very happy.

Thanks, Rios. On the first pitch, no less. What a dweeb.

Gavin owes Brent a porsche. Whoa.

I hate watching Gavin Floyd pitch. Can't even find confidence with a four run lead. Pathetic.

Beckham, Dunn and Rios with hits in the same inning? With RBIs in the same inning? Must be a cold day in Hell.

f*** the Twins. f*** the Twins. f*** the Twins. f*** THE TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love this. We could score 30 runs off this team and it wouldn't be enough to quench my hatred.

Blackburn sucks. I'm glad we're finally having a game that supports that concept.

Eat s***, Twinks. DUNN!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 01:13 PM) And those aren't my only two qualifications for someone being a slut, but I was just using those are examples. There is nothing about her that I would ever see anyone saying she is a whore/slut/hooker or whatever. Getting drunk with random dudes, swimming naked in their pool and grabbing their cocks isn't a whorish/slutty/hookerish thing to do? Wow.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) Oh wow, no it's not. Talk about jumping the shark. You make it sound like he's trying to roofie her up and make her drink. Greg is saying, just hit it and quit it. And to hurry the process up, get some liquor. This happens every day. Secondly, the whole purpose is to get her to either sleep with him or leave him alone which is what Joe needs. Back then, I'd feel horrible if I were the bf. But after growing up a little(I'm 25), I wouldn't necessarily get too upset because it wasn't meant to be. If it wasn't Joe Joe that breaks her, it would be his friend or someone else. Fact: She is going to cheat because she has serious issues. The faster that BF realizes that, the better in the long term. Murder happens everyday too, man. Doesn't make it right. And it doesn't matter if it wasn't meant to be or that if Joe doesn't hit it, someone else will. Those are lame excuses. Joe should hold himself to a higher standard than that.

Someone please clarify. This guy was convicted in 1994. When was this treaty passed? People seem to be suggesting the treaty was passed after he was convicted. Is this true? I majored in criminal justice but I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong, but this sounds like a weird variation of the ex post facto concept (if you do A, they can't then pass a law banning A and hold you accountable). In which case, this only strengthens my conviction that Texas had no obligation to obey this treaty.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 07:29 AM) The case was f***ed from the start http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/t...a-knox-20110627 Well, I don't have time to read seven pages right now (I will later), but if you are being truthful, it seems her trial wasn't a fair one and she should have been acquitted. So I would have a problem with this, just like I would have had a problem if Mr. Leal were not given a fair trial. But that doesn't seem to be the case in the latter situation, and I continue to disagree with the idea that Mr. Leal's proceedings were unfair simply because he did not receive a consular visit.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 01:22 AM) She's not a slut, hooker, skeezer, whore, or floozy, and I 100% believe she has been sexually abused/raped whatever by her father. I'm sorry, but I know her a lot more than you do, so don't be surprised that I would take exception to people calling her such names and accusing her of lying about things like that. She is no angel, and could very quite possibly just be playin' me, but it's not fair to say those other things. Joe, you still haven't told us how you would feel if you were this girl's boyfriend. We can disagree all we want about whether she's a whore (it's a little sad that your only qualifications for whoredom are how many people she's slept with and what sort of clothes she wears), but do you really feel like she's being an honest girlfriend? If your answer is no, then you should listen to your morals. And if you wouldn't like someone else doing it to you, don't you do it to someone else.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 12:34 AM) I can see both sides of this, but when I was college aged, summers were for fun. She's jumping around the pool half naked, he thinks she's hot, are you saying nobody ever hooks up anymore? s*** there's a movie called Friends With Benefits coming out. She's flirting like hell with him and he can't try to have sex or we are immoral? I thought I gave good advice. If you don't want sex in a situation like that, then simply have "the talk" with her like you suggest. Tell her you want a relationship; if she doesn't quit wasting my time. That will end it as well. You're not talking about fun here. And you're not talking about hooking up. You're talking about getting a girl drunk so you can have sex with her, and a girl who has a boyfriend to boot. The first part is borderline rape, and the second part is outright sleaziness. I'm not gonna act like some sort of mega-puritan like I've never had sex or even sex with a random girl, but there is nothing honorable about boozing up an underage girl and boning her. I think Joe is better than that, but I could be wrong.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 8, 2011 -> 06:48 AM) How about a case like Amanda Knox in Italy where by all appearances she was completely railroaded? Too bad? Haven't read anything about Amanda Knox in some time. Last I was reading, she was guilty as sin and was pretty much unveiled as a heartless psychopath to boot. Is there something more recent that I haven't paid attention to?

I never suggested suspending Mr. Leal's rights. I just pointed out that I'm also concerned with Ms. Sauceda's rights. And I also pointed out that I think this treaty is a ridiculous violation of our national sovereignty. I do not believe the right to meet with the consulate is a legitimate right. You want Mexican laws and punishments? Stay in Mexico. Come to America and you will answer to our laws. Americans who travel abroad should realize the same principle. And I do not believe the fact that Mr. Leal did not receive the opportunity to see the consulate prevented him from getting a fair trial. That seems to be the only reason his trial wasn't fair in your opinion, and I don't agree with that at all. As for your religious beliefs, good for you. I'm not kidding, I really don't care what you believe. I'll care what you believe the day you try to stop me from believing what I believe. Until then, I believe fully in the freedom of religion and separation of church and state. My Christianity is a driving factor in my life but it shouldn't be a driving force in American government. It's a personal matter.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 10:53 PM) You've put in so much work, you might as well get some benefit before you end this. Else, you're going to think about her when you leave for college kicking yourself in the ass for wanting her. And my thought process is, for this chick in particular, if she's going to cheat(which I guarantee she will and probably already has), why shouldn't Joe who's been very good to her, not have a turn. And don't bring up her current boyfriend. She doesn't deserve him neither. So morals are irrelevant?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 10:43 PM) Wow. That was thinly veiled spite. Translate it any way you like. I'm not here to judge, but it is my belief that we will all stand before God one day. If you want to go before Him having never believed in Him, then I sincerely wish you the best of luck. I'm not big into the whole "force the infidels to convert" idea; it's kind of stupid, violent and intolerant if you ask me. So, you're free to believe whatever you want to believe. Doesn't change my personal belief that we will all be judged eventually.