pettie4sox

I don't even want to help these people man. Are you kidding me lmaoooo. I could be wrong in this belief but it seems like you assume all of these people fall into this category and if that was the case, we would agree 1000%.

Of course there needs to a point where it's cut off, but the government should do everything in their power to curb what caused the drug addled parents to begin with. There is always going to be fuck ups, but how many fuck ups were created because people lost hope early on, have kids, and pass that hopelessness to them. We need to attack the problem at its root and not just assume people are just lazy fuckers who want free stuff. IMO those types of people can be easily weeded out. I genuinely believe we can have a country that works for everyone and not just people who got lucky with decent/good parental lottery. I've shared here many times but I'm a black man that had parents that came from those poor disenfranchised areas. They fought like hell but I'm unfortunately in rare air. If my parents didn't do what they did, I would have been absolutely fucked. I recognize my fortune and want the cycle to end. America is allegedly the best country on earth yet we can't take care of our most vulnerable? If we're the best we should be best at everything period.

Here's the thing you can argue these semantics until you're blue in the face. The reality is, give everyone an even start. Wages, healthcare, education. The rest is up to them. It's not that radical of an idea either because most developed countries on the planet already do it and guess what, they are absoluting kicking our asses.

I believe citizens are responsible for decisions they make but how many people are in the situation they are in because they got dealt a bad hand of cards (aka bad parents, bad environments, poverty, etc...) I think it's the government's job to make sure the bad decisions of individuals are the culprit of their failings and not because the government had a shitty foundation to begin with for those people.

They won't come when republicans are running things because that's what dems are. People will get fed up eventually, and I'll sit back and enjoy the show then.

You absolutely can speak for yourself regarding this matter, that's your right, prerogative or whatever you want to call it. I have yet to see you produce data. Feel free to produce some. I have and can produce a lot more if you'd like. I don't really need to convince you nor do I want to. These policies are coming whether you like them or not. Just get yourself mentally prepared.

Those are not really progressive policies, they are moderate because more than 50% of the country agrees on them. You could argue defund the police and abolish ice are progressive as they are significantly below 50%.

I guess it depends on what you mean by progressive action. You can use a label for anything that really doesn't mean anything.

Personally I think they should just start their own party and let the democrats continue to be republicans. https://peoplesparty.org/

There is something "legit" about winning the electoral college and popular vote.

I do not think you insulted my intelligence. Maybe he is referring to my linear thinking comment but that's not an insult that's describing one's way of thinking about situations. Kyyle is trying stir things up to close the thread. Typical buzzkill mod. ?

Joe Biden voice: "Come on man...."

The conversation has been civil. Discussions should be welcome.

I don't really consider that a quip but OK. I just don't assume to know people's situations. You come at it from a glass half empty perspective and that's fine but I just think the whole thing is burden to society. I want people to have freedom from the burden of healthcare because right now it's a conundrum. I am all for private insurers being able to offer supplemental insurance for those who want it but the bulk of it should be covered. You are not getting it for free, it's paid the same way the military is being paid for.

Maybe I just want to see them get obliterated before I assume. I just think it's funny how people like Kasich claim the "far left" (whatever that means) almost cost Joe Biden the election when the evidence is contrary to that. I get that people are scared of big change but IMO it's long overdue. People are suffering out there and without bold legislation, the cycle of our failed state will continue. Democrats should have been able to punch their ticket to senate but yet the likes of Graham, McConnell and Collins cruised to re-election... Why is that? Maybe name calling and saying I'm not Trump doesn't resonate with as many people as they thought. I agree the DNC needs to hire a top tier marketing firm to brand their ideas because whoever it is now has been failing at their job miserably. You can't even get the DNC to unite against a candidate like Trump. That speaks volumes.

I do not care if we disagree but if you're not going to have an honest discussion what's the point? If you can't see that from your posts I don't know what to tell you. The last part of your previous post is evidence that you're just trying to drive your POV home and that you are not trying to have an honest discussion.

I would enjoy discussing things with you more if you weren't so linear in thinking. You are the king of straw man and very disingenuous.

Why do we need to limit the message of "progressives" to defund the police though. I think if they stick to policies that actually help you as a worker that message will resonate with most even if they don't want to admit it. You want you healthcare? You want a livable wage? You want to build for the future? Back them up with policy and the democrats would actually have a message instead of their do nothing and claim the other side is bad. People are desperate and if dems sounds like repubs which they do quite frankly, just vote for the repub. I would.

By that logic we should have an option whether we want our tax dollars to go to the military. I'm sure plenty of people would opt out of that.

I just hate that we have become the laughing stock of the world when it comes to basic rights for a developed country. The whole world protested george floyd, that in itself is shows how glaring that incident was. Of course there are worse things that happen in lesser developed countries, I'm not saying that at all.

I would say the police reform is absolutely needed. The defund the police is worst branding than calling basic human rights socialism.

Give it up dawg, the country doesn't agree with you. https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412545-70-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all-health-care You may argue this is not progressive policy if you want. It could be seen as moderate since a majority believe in it.

100% agree. The people who are cheerleading Biden will be surprised when a more competent Trump is elected in 4 years because dems govern " on " safely...

Fun fact, no progressive whos supported progressive policies lost their house seat. It was in fact the centrist losers who stood for nothing that lost their seats. How does Florida vote for a $15 min/wage yet Trump won the state. How did Biden win Illinois yet a "fair tax" lost pretty handedly? I think people throw around words to scare people when a majority of the country supports progressive policies. It's just both dems and repubs love to use proverbial boogeyman to scare low iq voters on both spectrums.