Bananarchy

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 09:17 PM) Expecting them to lose a lot, but I still can't pull for a team to do that. Think of it this way: Every game I watch (which is a lot), I want them to win and will pull for them to win, knowing full well that they won't win a lot of them and in the long term that's the right thing to do for the betterment of the franchise.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:50 PM) Easily the best SS since Ozzie Smith, and none have been better since. Not first ballot, but he's the Bill Mazeroski of his generation, plus he played on a number of really good teams during his career, and impacted numerous post-seasons. Alex Rodriguez was a better SS than Vizquel. He played 3B to be on a winner, but he was an incredible shortstop.

QUOTE (Donaldo @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:45 PM) With or without Q, I still think this team will win 70+ games. Well, the 2013 team won 63, so anything is possible.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:04 PM) Andruw doesn't pass the smell test. I know the numbers look great for 10 years and the defense, but, ya know... Vizquel looks like a glove-first Hall of Fame SS. I wouldn't complain if he got in, but the stat nerds are going to be anti-Omar. Vizquel's WAR numbers aren't very good. His peak three year WAR is less than 12.

QUOTE (Soha @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:30 PM) Quintana wouldn't be getting shopped if this wasn't a total rebuild. As said above, they can't admit they're trying to lose 105 games. Officials with clubs have to be careful when it comes to admitting tanking. It implies an uneven playing field, which baseball doesn't like.

Jorge Posada got less than 5% and is off the ballot. MLB Network trying to argue that he played for the Yankees or something.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:43 PM) With Bagwell and Ivan getting in, they're loosening the "Raines" on keeping juicers out. I just feel Hoffman should've made it. Bonds and Clemons are going to be telling. They'll likely get in by their 10th year on the ballot.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:39 PM) Of course they aren't going to tell fans that. They still want to sell tickets. That is a much more succinct answer.

I hope the user RockRaines is actually Tim Raines.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 05:56 PM) If this is the case, then all the more reason to keep Q. If the others blow out their arms the sox will need Q if they are going to be any good in 2 years. Yeah, but the piece you bolded is nonsense and highly unlikely to happen.

QUOTE (ventura_abreu @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:07 PM) I was glad to see that the White Sox are not planning a typical re-build. To quote Nick Hostetler on their website: "I'm not anticipating this to be a 62- or 63-win team," said White Sox director of amateur scouting Nick Hostetler, referring to the 2017 season. "Right now, the way that the team is constructed, we are going to compete in games, battle." It is not inconceivable that Giolito, Lopez, or Fulmer might join Rodon, Gonzalez, Shields, and Holland in the White Sox rotation early in 2017 with Birdi being added to the bullpen. That would presume that Quintana and Robertson were already moved in trades. In fact, I can imagine the White Sox wanting to make room for all three of them by mid-season. One would need to keep fingers crossed that Shields and Holland had bounce back seasons like Gonzalez did last year. Even presuming that Quintana and Robertson were already traded and the veterans had their bounce back seasons, how would the White Sox swing it if they felt Giolito, Lopez,and Fulmer were all ready to be in the rotation by July? No White Sox spokesperson of any time is going to commit to a 63 win season, but the comments Hostetler made are those of a team set up to lose. He used the words "compete in games", not "win games". Expect this rebuild to be real, but don't expect a lot of rebuild talk from anyone not named Rick Hahn.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:05 PM) If Toews continues to play at this rate, and Kane keeps playing like he's Adam Oates, a deadline addition won't matter much. Right, I just don't feel like this is the year to sell off more talent for a rental.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 04:49 PM) I don't care about Beer right now. My hope is the Sox make quality trades to the point where they have the worst AL record in 2017 with a losing interleague record. If that means they draft 2-5 in 2018, so be it. You have reasonable expectations. The key to future success may or not be one guy (probably not), but we know for sure the way to maximize future success is to add talent through the draft. Right now, that will likely take one or two losing seasons and some strong draft selections.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 04:57 PM) While I feel the same way as you, this is simply not true. There will always be someone who faults a pitcher because their win/loss record. That's a fair assessment. I doubt many of the better GMs and teams are among the people who worry about pitching wins, but you're certainly right that some people do care.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 04:48 PM) Holding onto Q and having him the Sox #1 starter actually may increase his value. It won't help his W-L record. But it might be more palatable to teams to explain to their fan base he's closer to a #1 than a mid rotation guy that many fans from other teams are talking up Q as. No one cares about the W-L stat for pitchers, but the rest I agree with.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) Still looks so much better than SD!!! God, the Padres are just so terrible.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:44 AM) Team is not nearly bad enough to get into the Beer mix as it stands today. If Hahn gets what he wants for Q, we're getting there.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) I'd rather roll with the younger guys. Sharp at this point isnt any better than Ryan Hartman IMO. Agreed. After the Ladd thing last year, I'm not super enamored with the idea of moving younger assets for a rental.

Now Second City Hockey is suggesting trading for Sharp. How does everyone feel about that?

.245/.325/.460 44 HR /25 2B/ 98 RBI

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:44 AM) I mean, they are in 2nd place, so they must be pretty good. The East looks a lot better than the West this year. There is just so much bad in the west.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 17, 2017 -> 09:48 PM) The frustrating thing is I don't totally blame the coaches or this roster construction. I'd do that if the big boys we're putting up numbers, but they had no support from the 3rd and 4th lines. It's the opposite. I'm completely and totally perplexed by this Blackhawks team.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 17, 2017 -> 09:32 PM) This team just isn't very good. The Top 2 lines are no where to be found. The big money guys cannot underperform.

"You gotta be - bleepin me!" "alright" and some stuff about unfunny "Latins"

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 17, 2017 -> 07:13 PM) As it should be. Nobody cares about hockey and the Cubs are the best organization in town other than the Hawks and happen to play their games on that station. They will ramp up Bears draft coverage soon but what else are they supposed to talk about it? If a Q trade went through, the afternoon show would give it a good deal of coverage. I don't expect a lot from the midday show, honestly. I tend to have meetings during that time.