Lip Man 1

69 wins.

I did find it interesting reading his comments in the story that even back in October after he had rested and rehabbed he said the soreness was still there, not as bad but still in place.

As I've suggested in the past, "pay them" from the MLB Central Fund for the "trouble" of having to sacrifice to make things better for fans. Fans shouldn't have to sit through 38 degree weather to watch a game and you have a higher injury risk with really cold weather (hamstrings etc...) The better solution would be to cut the season down and start playing actual DH's again but that of course makes to much sense and owners love their $$$$$

No surprise...another one bites the dust.

The Sox always seem to be reactive instead of proactive. That's part of what happens when you have people in their front office jobs for years (decades) and a group mindset of security without accountability for results sets in.

He can't be any worse than some of the stiffs they are running out there right now, that's for sure.

Jones looks awful as bad as Minaya, hell as bad as most of the pitching staff this spring.

Or...he's just not very good...period.

Very true and that's where not being willing to spend money and having a bad farm system (again because JR admittedly refused to pay for potential) really killed them in years when injuries hit. 2001, 2004, 2007 and 2010 immediately come to mind.

OK.... Whatever you say sir. ?

I can't speak for everyone but I was damn excited during the two time periods I listed. 1977 and 2005 were one year wonders. To do something sustained is the mark of excellence and the two runs I mentioned while not Yankee or brave like were still worth mentioning. As I said they aren't chopped liver to be dismissed out of hand or tossed in the garbage. That's plain nuts.

Well they had a nice run overall from 1981-1985 and from 1990-1996. 81-85, four winning seasons, lots of excitement and a division title. 90-96, six winning seasons, a division title, opening of a new ballpark and the rise of some very good young players. That's not exactly chopped liver.

Until the White Sox prove they can develop their young kids AND actually keep them healthy, I'd say they haven't hit rock bottom yet.

MLB.com now has a story quoting Harper as saying he's going to start "recruiting" Trout for the Phillies in 2020.

Giolito kind of "meh" today, Minaya looked brutal yet again. How many chances is this stiff going to keep getting from this organization?

Between 1963 and 1967 the Sox led the league in ERA four times and missed leading it the 5th season by a very slim margin to the Orioles as I remember. They produced pitchers like Detroit produced cars back then.

Eddie Stanky at times also batted Peters 6th or 7th in the lineup on the day he was pitching!

If (maybe) winning 70 games passes as "enjoyment" for you then I admire your definition of the word. Not trying to be sarcastic but when you've had the past 12 years like the Sox have which by and large have been awful, its hard to find enjoyment in the game...maybe in some individual performances, but the object is to win, that's why they keep score and the Sox have been brutally bad at winning. Doesn't mean I'm going to give up on them before anybody spits that nonsense out, I was born and raised in Chicago, I'm a Sox fan and I'll stay a Sox fan but this season is going to be pretty rough once again and we shouldn't delude ourselves otherwise.

Pitching has been basically horshit this entire spring.

He looks as bad as Fulmer.

Absolutely nothing wrong with loyalty especially in this day and age, but loyalty WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY brings you the issues you see with the White Sox. Professional sports is a results business, people are judged on that, for better or worse, that's the reality of things. The "results" of the White Sox have been far less than satisfactory wouldn't you agree? Shouldn't the people in charge who are being well paid have some measure of accountability in that?

Not since early September 2012 I'd say.

You know the old saying, "to make money you have to spend money..." Obviously the White Sox haven't learned that axiom.

Fulmer has had a brutal spring and so has Frare.

Best news I've seen in weeks was his home run. Better sign him now to an extension Kenny while you still have all that money! (sarcasm implied)