MIZ-SOX

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:48 PM) If we don't get position players, 75 wins is going to be a successful season for this franchise. What planet do you live on?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) The notion that Hahn is somehow a good GM because of that list is equally insufferable. You can take any GM or manager and roll out their greatest hits, ignore the rest of their body of work, remove context and make it look better than it appears to be. You should let Hahn borrow your crystal ball.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 01:53 PM) Core Chris Sale - pre arb Jose Quintana - pre arb Addison Reed - pre arb Veterans worth their contract and worth something via trade Jake Peavy Alexei Ramirez Prospects in the top ~200 range Erik Johnson Courtney Hawkins Carlos Sanchez Dayan Viciedo was on quite a few All-Rookie team lists and was a productive player in 2012. I also guess that Trayce Thompson, Marcus Semien, Josh Phegley, Chris Bassitt, Micah Johnson, etc., weren't in the organization at the time. Hector Santiago has mysteriously disappeared as an asset to go along with Addison Reed. Tyler Flowers statistically is better than our current catching combo when defense is factored in, and for a cheaper price. Pitch framing/pitch calling strategies have slipped with Navarro, not to mention throwing out opposing baserunners. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White Sox roster now Core Chris Sale - Hahn locked up on a team friendly deal Jose Quintana - Hahn locked up on a team friendly deal Jose Abreu underperforming his career WAR from 2014/15 by 125-150 points, should be DH, in ideal world Adam Eaton - Hahn locked up on a team friendly deal Carlos Rodon is there a single poster here who would have picked anyone else with the 3rd pick? and still not close to All-Star status, work in progress Tim Anderson would feel a lot better if Hahn had anything to do with targeting him Avisail Garcia Matt Davidson Nate Jones Veterans worth their contract and worth something in a trade Todd Frazier (I would hope he's STILL worth the equivalent of Thompson/Montas +) Brett Lawrie Melky Cabrera James Shields (SURE!!! Get on the phone right now and see if someone will assume that $27 million) Prospects in the top ~200 range Zack Collins Carson Fulmer Spencer Adams (has gone from near the Top 100 to closer to 150-200) Zack Burdi Alec Hansen at some point, results/ability is trumped by performance....in 2012, this was the equivalent of Chris Beck Trey Michalczewski (really?) You are absolutely insufferable.

So because there are other good negotiators in the league, Hahn can't also be a good negotiator? Got it.

Pretty confident that Sale and Q were absolutely hammered for that celebration.

QUOTE (Baron @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 07:00 PM) He's getting his chance. He should(key word) have one more year to show us. It's the last year of his 3 year plan. Time for some results. The franchise is really at a crossroads right now. Our model of plugging in 30 year old position players doesn't work in today's game. I'm going to assume we'll try to make a few signings this offseason so that we can hopefully compete next year, however if we see a repeat of this season, i'm fully expecting us to deal any veterans that have any value, and commit to a youth movement. Luckily we've done a pretty good job of restocking the farm, so I don't think a rebuild would take as long as that of the Cubs/Astros.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) As balta noted, if the ownership groups in Chicago (and Cleveland, and Miami, and Oakland, and TB) can't succeed and continue to blame the fans instead of the product/stadium, better to sell to someone who can or move the team to a more promising market or a better facility. Common sense. The White Sox aren't going anywhere. They have a newish stadium in the third largest market in the league. Even with trash attendance, they're the 16th most valuable franchise in the MLB, up 40% from last year. Attendance just doesn't have nearly as big of an impact on the bottom line as it used to, which is definitely a good thing for JR.

I'm starting to think this team just isn't any good. In that case, hiring a new manager would pretty much accomplish nothing.