CubKilla

All baseball players are overpaid. PERIOD! But, when looking at PK's salary in relation to what other MLB player's are making, PK is getting what he deserves..... and many could make an argument for a few million more or less than what he is going to make.

Is this what ShamME Soso has been trying to tell us all along in regards to the missing $20,000?

You are quite the pessimist aren't you witesoxfan

Yup. That needed to be said

So not winning an AL Playoff home game since 1959 is acceptable to you? Not being in a WS since 1959 is acceptable to you? Not winning a WS since 19-f***ing-17 is acceptable to you? Wow! With expectations as low as these, no wonder why JR feels no pressure to remove an inept GM or to go out and try to solidify the starting rotation by going out and signing a frontline, established SP. And after all the BS we saw last year, JR raised ticket prices! And the renovations are being footed by the taxpayers and, of all things, the Soldier Field Expansion! JR has no excuse for not going out and signing a gamebreaker. But with expectations so low why should he?

There is no hope where JR and KW tread. The two of them will not go out and get the starter we so desperately need without KW trading away damn near the whole farm system. This team has not been a legitimate contender for approximately 10 years now (2000 was an abberation..... a team playing way better than they really ever should have). The worst thing that could have happened to the White Sox Organization was 2000 because it legitimized, at least in the mind of JR, that you don't need to go out and get a proven, established starter because the players in the farm system will eventually play well enough to win. It also legitimized, at least in JR's warped mind, that the "White Flag Trade" was the thing to do. Since 2000, this team has struggled to remain above .500 until the end of the season. JR and KW are, once again, going to try to catch lightning in a bottle in 2003..... and it isn't going to happen!!!!! And if by some stroke of luck it does, it will be another sorry showing in the ALDS. Fact: This team won't do dick as long as JR and KW are running things. Get used to it oldroman :mad:

Considering that just about everybody on the Mets was a bust last year, Pettis and Baylor should fit right in

Are the sCrUBS the team still rumored to get Remlinger?

But it is music in a different form. 35 years there were many who were saying that what the Beatles were doing was just noise and not "real" music. Anyone can take a pre-recorded bass line, etc., and put something together - hell, I can do that on my Radio Shack keyboard. But play, for example, Nellie or Ludacris or almost any other rapper and you hear rap (words) overlaid on beat, and then play Em's stuff - there is something going on in Em's stuff musically that is IMHO very innovative and brilliant. No, he is not writing music in its traditional sense but I think that neither Lennon nor McCartney could write music either, in terms of writing notes on a scale (and some would argue that McCartney's post Beatles career proves he forgot how to make music...). And I don't think Harrison could either, they could not write music, but they could make music. And their work was criticized when they first used 4 tracks and then 8 tracks and other things we think of now as primitive in that genre. But listen to McCartney's so-called classical work, his concerto/symphony whatever he called it, and it is good pop, it is not Mozart. Lennon and McCartney excelled in rock and pop, two forms of music that had its own standards and definitions and tools. I am defining musicanship here as taking the materials at hand in the medium. For the rap medium, which uses scratching and sampling and pre-recorded bass lines, etc., to put it together like Eminem does shows some incredible musicanship. Give Nellie the same words as Em has and it won't sound the same, not anywhere near as good. The angry blonde kid has a musical gift, again of course IMHO. Sorry, HSC, we can never marry, alas, which means I lose the most splendid woman in the world, but I play rap too much for someone who hates it. That's ok, I love you anyway, you know that, and I think rap is an acquired taste. Now for those who were so surprized that "old" people could appreciate Eminem, don't be that surprized. The #1 purpose of rock is to piss off your parents. And Em does that quite well. But once the parents start to listen, if they listen, sometimes they will hear good music. My generation grew up with American Bandstand, where music was always rated as "having a good beat" and "you can dance to it." Em certainly has a good beat, and dancing to it, I suppose, depends on how you dance, but it is hard to sit still when he is playing. Give me Em any day over Britney Spears -- although as Em says, right now she's probably giving head to Fred Durst and or Carson Daly. And I think Em has a long career ahead of him. Reflect on this, young ones - at one time or another, Elvis, the Beatles, Kiss, Arrowsmith, Queen, Alice Cooper, Marilyn Manson all really seemed over the top and outrageous. Most of them are mainstream now, and the rest, quaintly eccentric. Ozzy once outraged a generation of parents and now he is family viewing. So Em was the 1999-2001 ultimate piss off your parents artist. Now that his fan base is broadening, once the parents (or in my case, grandparent) starts embracing Em, what will have to come along to be the next piss off your parents music? What will some day come along that will make Em seem safe and tame? Trust me, it will happen. And 30 years from now, children, you will be bashing your children's music as being noise and crap and not at all as good as the music was when you were a kid. You either keep embracing new music or you become an old nasty fossil screaming "turn that s*** off." It will happen to you, you will die before you get old, you will criticize what you don't understand, unless you really resist it. As a music fan CW, I know where you are coming from. Anybody that says rap isn't music or that it isn't difficult to meld two different beats into one is uninformed and should try to rap something meaningful and socially impacting on the scale of an Eminem. My point that I failed to make though was that Eminem's music is definitely more impacting lyrically than it is musically. Where as the Beatles were more impacting musically than lyrically. For example..... most people couldn't tell you the lyrics to "A Hard Day's Night" but most could tell you that it is a Beatles tune just from hearing the first guitar note. Eminem's music will go down for it's lyrical quality..... not so much the musical content.

Let me preface this with I am a fan of Eminem. As a matter of fact, I own his last 2 albums. His lyrics and their commentary on today's society are very much in tune with what the Beatles were doing lyrically in their later years. But musically, you cannot compare the two. Where the Beatles composed almost every note of every song they sang, Em just breaks his lyrics down over a pre-recorded bass line with computer-generated hi-hats, snares, horns, bells, etc. There is no way you can compare the two musically. JMHO though.

Agreed. He's showed that he can get the job done when he is healthy.

I'm paraphrasing here..... PayRod: If I knew that it would help avert a baseball strike, I'd be willing to take a cut in pay. PayRod: I didn't mean it. I was just joking. REALLY CLASSY!

Deal

And putting $100 on the White Sox to win the 2003 WS. I figure the odds of a Chicago baseball team winning the WS should be in the hundreds-to-one. 200-1 or larger odds would be some sweet action. Depending on how much I win when the 2003 White Sox win the WS, it will be my pleasure to rent out a section of Comiskey in 2004 for all of us to enjoy a game. What would everyone here prefer? The Stadium Club or BullPen Sportsbar? This is, of course, contingent on the White Sox actually WINNING the 2003 WS Title. I'll be back on Monday and will report any Guido ejections from Vegas premises as it will be just me and him going. Later all!

It's tight Chisoxfn. This board just keeps getting better and better.

I doubt it :mad:

I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the "liberal 3" on this board. Sorry for the confusion. P.S. Everyday I go to work I also protect the citizens of this country from enemies foreign and domestic. Was part of the oath I took when I graduated. You and your son both have my respect..... I can GUARANTEE you that

I saw footage of this last week on ESPN. The kid almost took a knee and it was funny to see the referee go up to him and point to run to the endzone. The opposing players opened a hole and chased him just like they would any other player. It was an emotional moment when the video camera footage turned to the crowd afterwards and there wasn't a dry eye in the place. This kid and the two teams have more class in their little fingers than some sports stars (see: PAYROD) have in their whole body. A moment like that is what sports should be all about.

3.90 ERA and11-9 is pretty good, but isn't the answer. However, he may be what we have to settle for. I'll settle for Daal in the rotation over Ritchie

What if the "ball players with diapers" aren't ready "to take the next step?" Borchard wasn't ready for CF so KW picked up Lofton. Harris has been rushed too. Not to mention it will be interesting to see how Jimenez does if he is named a starter at 2B or SS. And look how long Crede was down in the minors this year when he should have been with the Sox from Opening Day. If Schueler was hesitant to go with young players, then KW is the same way. We only saw the young guys after we were, for all intents and purposes, eliminated. :mad:

That right there is what makes this country great..... that me and you can agree to disagree. However, some on this board take for granted some of the freedoms we enjoy as Americans. They talk of our prosperity and work ethic as something that we should be ashamed of because most of the world sees us as the cocky, arrogant Americans. They fail to realize that we are able to have these discussions because, very unfortunately I might add, thousands of men and women have died defending what is good about this country. They tend to nitpick on the unjustices found in U.S. policy and make us out to be the bad guys..... always failing to realize that the policy was created after a violent incursion by a country or dictator. Right before sanctions are imposed, they're against the use of violence to achieve a means to an end. But when the U.S. enforces the sanctions (and that is what the potential War with Iraq is about..... NOT oil) we're the bad guys because of our threatened use of force. Their arguments don't make sense and reek of hypocrisy. If they think this country is so bad, I say go somewhere where the men roll over like sheep when a war machine comes marching through. Somewhere where the thinking is more in tune with hating the dirty Americans. May I suggest France? :mad:

"I'm no savior but I'm here to do a job" is tantamount to saying..... I'm here for the money

How do you figure? Prior and Wood will be their one two punch this year and Wood is too erratic to win consistently. The sCrUBS are going to miss Lieber big time. ShamME will be back to the days of having no one to protect him in the line up. Hundley's about as tradeworthy as Todd Ritchie. Hee Sop Chop Suey is going to have to have a monster year if the sCrUBS want to see anything besides the basement..... although Milwaukee will, once again, give the sCrUBS a run at sole possession for cellar dweller. Not to mention consistent above .500 finishes by Houston and St Louis almost annually. Meanwhile, in the AL Central, the Sox are in a division with Detroit, KC, and a stripped-down Cleveland. 2003 should see the White Sox and Twins battling it out for AL Central supremacy. Not to mention the White Sox farm systems are just about as good as the sCrUBS. Now if JR sells the team and KW does anything but GM the Sox, I'd say we'd have a good shot at the AL Central title for years to come. Please don't tell me thatjust because the sCrUBS have Dusty Baker as a manager that you think the sCrUBS are destined for 2003 postseason glory. IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! :mad:

I was wondering what the "Fatal Error" message meant when I was posting

Thanks SI. I'm a relatively new Hawk fan but was really into the Hawks in the 80's when I was in grammar school. I only get to one or two games a year now. I was pretty sure it was 3 but wasn't sure. Thanks again