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QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:56 PM) That is Sale's version/perception tho, and I understand he was vocal because he feels they were lied to. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but either way it should not be stated as fact when it's unverified. Sale is the only one I've heard talk about different stories to different parties, right? I can see that. But right now the only facts that are known is that LaRoche retired bc KW told him to limit the amount of time that his kid was there. Other then that nothing is fact. Based on LaRoche's statement I would retire as well. Regardless of a contract or not everyone knew the deal with his son. He knew it was his last year and didn't want to play it without his son by his side. So he chose to retire I would too. Now all the other crap is still in question right now though.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:38 PM) This got out of hand. Our most valuable asset lost his s*** because a 14 year old can't prance around the clubhouse. WTF. Adam LaRoche sucks. Why is everyone defending him? That is not why he was vocal today. It was bc KW LIED to the team and has told numerous stories and now noone knows the truth.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:39 PM) Wasn't it Hahn that negotiated the contract? Why did Hahn, the master negotiator, include such a vague and ambiguous clause that any labor relations expert could easily predict problems eventually resulting from...? He's the one with the MBA and Harvard Law degree, shouldn't he have known better than to set that kind of precedent for one player's son? That's another problem with KW no one know who is the real GM, I would say it's KW and his ego.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:00 PM) Exactly, Laroche is a liar who omitted certain parts of reality that didn't fit his narrative. If it's true that Kenny asked him last week to dial it back, and then Kenny saw zero change over the next 4 days, and then finally he saw the kid on the mound during team drills almost a week later, I'm not surprised he blew up and took the access away. I'd do the same thing as a VP to an employee who was being defiantly subordinate. If Laroche didn't respect the wishes of the team's VP, and basically ignored him, then screw him. And again, if true, then screw him twice for omitting that from the letter his agent--err, I mean he, wrote himself. Kenny is not clean in this by any stretch, and he clumsily handled it from the start, no doubt. And I am fine with KW either re-signing or being fired, whatever. However, Laroche is far from squeaky in this, and I've had about enough of him taking the "high road" while leaking out negative tweets about the Sox through his friggin meat company. I'm a White Sox fan first, not a Laroche fan. Good riddance if he can't be honest about what happened. I hope we ultimately find out the truth; maybe JR can put things in order shortly. If Nightengale's piece is accurate and multiple people with and around the team complained about the kid's constant presence dating back to last season, then Sale and Eaton--especially Sale-- look like idiots who don't have a clue about their own clubhouse. That might be a bigger issue than anything in the long run. I hope you don't mean you would hire someone with an agreement to allow their kid to be around ALL THE TIME and then say screw you in year 2 and change it. That is some real shady s*** that KW is doing. Oh wait and then LIE/tell your management team that the problem was the employees and then tell the employees it was management and then tell everyone it was the owner. KW has lied and broken contractual agreements all this week, I can't wait to see what he does next (probably trade Sale for a bag of peanuts LITERALLY!!!!)

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) This is exactly what I said it was yesterday. Players and coaches went to KW and complained about the kid always being around instead of going to LaRoche. KW had meeting with LaRoche asking him to dial it back. LaRoche didn't do so. KW flipped out and told LaRoche that he couldn't have his kid around anymore. KW cooled down and went back to his original story of telling LaRoche only sometimes. Chris Sale is a moron and probably doesn't even realize that he has teammates that went to Kenny in the first place. Kenny fell on the sword and took this all so players and coaches didn't have to. It wasn't handled properly but LaRoche didn't exactly take Williams very seriously. LaRoche is irrational. I'm happy he's gone because he's weird and bad and I don't feel like watching him all year. Sale doesn't care, KW told the players it was the coaches. He told the coaches it was the players, then he told everyone it was JR. He flat out lied and should be fired tonight. Noone in that locker room can trust him even RV and RH.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 09:00 PM) The one where now Nightengale says they agreed to let his son be around as much as he wanted when he signed. The big one. KW only let us know he told him to dial it back, he forgot he told him to not bring the kid around anymore. KW is full of s***. A flaming pile of s*** has more integrity at this point then KW. He has lied or omitted things so many times in the last few days it's unreal. If he ain't fired I hope this team boycotts until he is.

Better odds that KW is FIRED finally!!!!

QUOTE (Dunt @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 02:22 PM) I find it ironic that these guys are so stoutly defending LaRoche despite the underlying fact that he walked out on the team. It bc he didn't walk out on them, they all know that family comes first and that Is above all else. Also they knew he only came here bc the sox allowed his son to be there all the time. The players are 100% with LaRoche and against KW

For those saying sale and Eaton should shut up and deal with this internally how the hell will that work. They can't go to Ventura bc KW went over his head with all of this, same as RH. The only option they have is to go to JR, but KW head is so far up JR *** that it won't help. So they take the only avenue available to them.

I don't know why everyone is ripping Sale or even Eaton. Sale is doing exactly what you want a leader of the clubhouse to do, bring the team together and stick up for family. KW appears to be a complete ass and has cause this entire situaltion. It even appears he manipulated the situation to his liking by tell the players the coaches had a problem with Drake, telling the coaches players had a problem with him, and telling everyone that this decision came from the owner. Sale better damn make some waves bc of this and he is 100% correct that is should have been KW walking of the locker room and not LaRoche.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:27 PM) Oh s***, Chris. He'll yes. Chris Sale is doing the right thing imo, get KW the **** off the white sox he is the CANCER and has been for years.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 05:53 PM) This should be an easy case, either it is in the contract or its not. Unless this is some sort of bizarro world where they had junior high school students drafting the contract there will be something called a integration/merger clause so either its in the contract or its not. Id be willing to bet its not in the contract so this wont go far. From what I've read it was verbally agreed upon and known by all, hence the kid was with the team all last year. The verbal agreement is just as binding as his contract, especially since they did multuple things to accommodate his son last year. I have a feeling the sox would lose the case or it would be very difficult case to decide.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 04:23 PM) If the MLBPA wins the grievance case (if it gets filed at all), do the Sox as an organization get punished in any way? Not sure, my guess would be that the Sox would have to pay LaRoche $13 million

Just saw that the mlbpa will most likely file a grievance against the sox bc having his son with him was a condition for him to sign with the sox.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:21 PM) Who would you rather the players hate, KW or Ventura? Noone, but why would you ignore your GM and manager when they tell you that you should not tell LaRoche anything and you completely ignore them and do it anyway, ultimately causeing what appears to be a sizable rift in the clubhouse

QUOTE (shakes @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) Then he truly should've shut his mouth, and not expose his son as the scapegoat(instead protect him), and start hash tagging #FamilyFirst and have his family and agent cry to every media outlet that will listen. If Jordan did that, I would say the same thing about Jordan. That might help. I have never been a fan of KW and stuff like this make me want him gone so much. I know I may be in the minority or on my own but KW needs to be a VP and leave other jobs to the people that have been hired to do them. He is NOT the manager or GM but act like he is.

I go back to what I said yesterday. KW looks like a complete *** and is destroying this teams chemistry. I mean what other organization would let a VP destroy **** the way KW has done. The players apparently we're all opposed to KW, and Sale (your damn prized possession) was so furious with KW that he told him to get the **** out of the locker room and stat out. Sale is right, KW is the VP but thinks he is the Manger and the GM. Stay the **** out of the locker room cause all he has manged to do is **** things up year after year. He might have even cost the sox a future with sale as thir ace. KW has to ******* go and now!!! Rant over.

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The Sox dont look bad in this situation to me. KW on the other hand looks like a complete ***. KW has to go and for me this just throws more fuel onto that fire. To say your not changing a policy but he can't have his kid there more then 50% of the time is completely chaging the policy.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Mar 10, 2016 -> 03:50 PM) Another nice shot by Avi into the left-centerfield gap. He is absolutely on fire. I know it's a very small sample size but he looks like a completely different hitter in the chances I've got to see him this spring. I really think this is the year he puts it together. It will depend if he gets to play much or regularly. I personally would ha e him as the DH and cut Laroche

Melky is not a 2-hole hitter. It will come down to Lawrie or Rollins and the way Ventura has been using his lineup make me belive it's gonna be Lawrie.

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Eaton's caught stealing was on a delayed steal not a true steal

Avi now 2 for 2 with 2 RBis

Eaton with a HR