Con te Giolito

No everyone wants all the Sox players to have massive breakout seasons (do not deny this, the Predict Thy Numbers threads are insane), keep all the veterans, remain watchable but still pick #1 overall in 2018 and have a big rebuild with blue chip prospects everywhere. The definition of having your cake and eating it too. I see the Sox options as (a) rebuild or (b) dont rebuild. I dont harbor this childlike (also reflected in these pathetic """insults""") expectation that the Sox, especially with this FO, can pull off 10 different things at once. Cant have both.

I also dont see what about my idea of starting over lacks patience. I mean you guys are the ones who want them to field a competitive team in 2017 not me.

Well good to see the FO office sycophants are out in full force. They've done so much to earn your trust over the years I'm sure you'll be rewarded!

Yea I'm just trolling GOT YOU GUYS haha I was kidding all along.

Not the White Sox! They've dealt two of their best players (for non-baseball reasons) and a crummy reliever. I would be happy if they made just a couple more moves, like just get rid of Frazier and Robertson so Saladino can sink-or-swim at 3rd and Jones can try and close games. That would save them like $30m that could go into int'l pool or elsewhere and maybe net them one t30 guy. It'd also prove me wrong about why they dealt Sale and Eaton.

Those in their contract years and making over $10m read my post.

Sox should have most of what wont be around in 3 years pretty much gone already, especially those are in their contract years and costing over $10m. This is not something ridiculous to ask for and it hardly means to the rebuild should all wrapped up by now. It shouldn't take a full calendar year to turn this ship around and embark on a new direction.

Losing Frazier changes their ability to compete on a game-by-game basis and replacing Quintana with somelike Dylan Covey could result in a massive swing.

Been waiting since last July and only three guys have been traded. Its not supposed to be this slow.

Honestly there is only one org where a GM responsible for this mess would be in charge of cleaning it up and its the White Sox. Hahn has been getting killed in the trade market pretty much non stop since arriving here. edit- I should say since arriving in his new role

Getting nothing is better than spending 600 PA's on him to suck while Tyler Saladino has to wallow needlessly in a utility role on a mediocre 4th place team because Frazier is the incumbent at 3rd.

If by some miracle all these over-30 useless players the Sox have turn their careers around in dramatic fashion yes I'm sure they will all be easy to trade When it was the deadline last year waiting until the offseason was a better move, now that its the offseason waiting until the deadline is the right idea. Its just a circular path of excuses for the front office, and now that they are on the verge of doing a halfhearted rebuild everything said last July is being contradicted to explain why "oh, they're just waiting for the right deal". The right deal for Robertson and Melky is any deal where the Sox aren't eating all of their money. If they wait on Robertson (who is absolutely terrible) they risk him becoming just a $20m anchor that has to be given a roster spot for two more season. Melky is less risky because he just walks for nothing in a year, but god at least get SOMETHING for him. Same goes for Frazier. Failing to get full value on these guys now isn't that important. What is important is for their positions to be freed up for young players to break in and get some PA's and the money that would've gone to them can be invested elsewhere in the org.

"If he gets good at baseball again"

Over 30 and injury history, he's only pitched 90 innings since 2013 and not all of those innings have been great. Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman he is not, though I'm sure the Sox are asking for those types of deals for him.

Its not selling low its just selling. Todd Frazier and Melky Cabrera are never going to be super hot commodities, you just get rid of them to save some money and maybe get back something. Everyone likes to talk a big game about moving in a new direction but when it comes to actually trading these guys suddenly the Sox are moving a bunch of MVP's that they "MUST GET VALUE" for. I dont get it, the further Todd Frazier and David Robertson are from this roster the better and that starts now.

The Sox could trade Q, Frazier, Abreu and Jones if they wanted to. Robertson could've been included in the Eaton deal to who-knows what end. Melky is tougher to move, but I think he could be a salary dump if the Sox were truly motivated to tear down.

Not what I said at all.

I'll talk about the top 15 when FS releases the top 15. As for this list, I dont know I like a lot of the names here. Michalczewski is still only going to be 22 when the season starts and yea he's struggled lately but there was legitimate reason to be excited about him and he hasn't completely drowned despite being pushed through the org very aggressively. I think we could be pleasantly surprised by what he can do with a full year to catch his breath and repeat at Birmingham.

Ok if its so unfounded and completely idiotic (impolite, by the way) then refute it. You say the didn't trade Eaton and Sale then just stop...I say that's exactly what has happened. Is there some other huge trade I've missed? And they are doing the same thing they've done every year the last three since the Winter Meetings, which is buttress their garbage roster with more scrapheap garbage like Derek Holland and Everth Cabrera. But really, without resorting to "well I just trust that Hahn is doing the right thing" make a compelling argument that the Sox dealt Eaton and Sale for 100% baseball reasons. I dont think you or anyone else really can.

Are you sure they didn't just come up with the idea of combining horse steroids with the same amphetamines they gave doomed Red Army soldiers in the War?

So according to the Predict Thy Numbers threads the Sox will feature a roster full of overperforming players putting up career years but they'll still finish with less than 70 wins because getting a draft pick is a good thing too. My predictions are that Rodon gets good, Abreu has a good full season and the Q-Fraz-Melky-Migo guys do basically what they did last year. A decent year from Tim Anderson and that's probably the low-end of mediocrity aka picking about 10th, maybe getting up to 6th or 7th if (god forbid) Q or Rodon get hurt. They'd have to shed at least two more players to begin contending for #1 in 2018, but once they do that I really like their odds because of the AL.

Refuting it would have to lend a degree of trust in a White Sox front office that has done nothing to earn it this decade.

Does it look like they are trading everyone still? Also it was more like a month ago that I said that. If they do still unload everyone I'll go back to thinking they could have a high 2018 draft pick, but right now this is probably a 75+ win team.

Its time to let go of this delusion. Sox will be picking ~10th again.

Literally the worst starting pitcher in baseball. IN HAHN WE TRUST /yawn