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QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 09:12 AM) Reds at Cubs: Fri, 1:20 Stephenson vs Quintana Sat, 3:05 Stephens vs Lester Sun, 2:20 McGuire vs Arrieta Sox at Indians: Fri, 6:10 Pelfrey vs Bauer Sat, 6:10 Fulmer vs Kluber Sun, 2:10 Volstad vs Tomlin Hopefully the Cubs starters are just in there for 5 innings. The Sox magic number over the Reds is 3. Hey Q, I know we did you a solid by sending you to a playoff team, so could you do us one and just throw some lobs out there for the Reds? Please and thank you!
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http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2018-...yTJUTcBp41Ai.97 BA Hish School Top 50. Top 3 of Hankins, Turang, and Nolan Gorman. Kelenic checks in at #5. The Gorman ranking is interesting. I really like his bat, but I think most thought he couldn't stick at SS, so if he can I really like him. Other names of note: Triston Casas @ 14 Alek Thomas @ 20 Joe Gray Jr. @ 28
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Considering some say Jenista and Bohm are both future 1B, Beer could be the fourth college 1B off the board if these rankings stood. That's quite a drop. But looking at the draft as a whole, usually a little more than half the picks before our second round pick are college players, and we will probably have a pick around 45, so college players that would be available would probably be in the mid-20s in these rankings.
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Does anyone know approximately how many picks there are going to be betweem the first and second round? I'm trying to figure out where our second round pick is likely to be. From what I understand the competitive balance B picks from last year will be after the first and there were 8 of those last year, but I don't know if that changes from year to year. There are also picks for qualifying offer free agents that sign for more than $50mil guranteed for revenue sharing payee teams, but I don't know what teams those are or if they have any players that are likely to meet that number.
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Mets won, so I think that means we are locked in to a top 5 pick. The Reds won as well, so magic number to secure #4 is 3 or 4 depending on the outcome of these extra innings.
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QUOTE (Quin @ Sep 27, 2017 -> 11:22 AM) Lol if Turang or Singer is there at 4 if we pick there I don't know if its that simple. Apparently Turang has some question marks about his bat and Singer has medical questions. They obviously both have a ton of talent, but other guys might rise above them in the next year.
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New Perfect Game 2018 Draft Top 150 Ranking Newly updated top 150 ranking needs a subscription, so if anyone has that and wants to share that would be awesome. The top 10 that they do show is interesting though. 1 Ethan Hankins RHP Forsyth Central (GA) 2 Jarred Kelenic OF Waukesha West (WI) 3 Ryan Rolison LHP Mississippi 4 Casey Mize RHP Auburn 5 Kumar Rocker RHP North Oconee (GA) 6 Jackson Kowar RHP Florida 7 Nick Madrigal 2B Oregon State 8 Brice Turang SS Santiago (CA) 9 Shane McClanahan LHP South Florida 10 Nander De Sedas SS Montverde Academy (FL) I think the big things that stick out to me are that Singer is not even in the top 10, Rolison is #3, and Turang all the way down at #8. It does make me feel better about how much I like Kelenic, but gets me scared that he won't be there when we pick. Hankins at #1 puts the question out there again if a HS RHP will ever go #1.
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QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Sep 22, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) The being bad with wood bats is highly concerning with him. Me too, but if he falls to our second pick, is it worth the risk then?
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Two new scouts from great organizations to help with the biggest draft pick we've had since Rodon? Sounds like a smart move. Also, with how deep everyone is saying this draft is and seeing all the high school talent available, there will probably be more good selections available in the second round than usual, so this helps even more.
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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 09:25 AM) I can't help but think that with every potential advantage that the Sox might use to sell this team, there are multiple other teams who could offer better. If he wanted to go to a team that liked Japanese players, but can't offer money, why not LA? They worshiped Hideo Nomo. They have also signed a lot more Japanese players and have a bigger Japanese population base than Chicago does. One of the many and often conflicting reports did say that he liked LA because of the large Japanese population. No one knows how true it is, but it is out there.
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One guy who I want who I think will be in the second round area is Alek Thomas. He is an CF from Mount Carmel HS in Chicago, he is part of the White Sox ACE program, and I believe his dad is the director of conditioning for the White Sox. He finished second on the 18u national team in batting average and was 5-5 in stolen bases. And he's done all this while still being Mount Carmel's starting QB and I believe he still plays basketball too. So there is definitely more room for growth than most draft prospects.
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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 10:49 PM) I have an article coming for FutureSox on this tomorrow. I would be stunned if the White Sox were even in the running for this. THey can pay him $300K. They can offer him a rotation spot and let him DH on off days. Other teams can do the same though. Teams like the Pirates and Rockies can offer him $10 million. Yanks, Boston, Texas can offer somewhere in the $3-$4 million range and still allow him to pitch and hit. The Cubs, Dodgers, Astros and Padres can offer $300K. That's it though. One team that makes a lot of sense for me: Los Angeles Angels. They can pay him close to $9 million and he'd still be on the West Coast. This process will be fascinating. The best player on the planet and a guy who has been compared to Babe Ruth on the same team? I'd watch that.
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This is the ultimate lottery ticket signing. We basically have zero chance, but someone has to win it and you can't win it unless you buy the ticket. Plus, it allows fans to dream for a little while and if the FO does goes after him and fails, they can tell the fans that they did everything they could to help us contend faster which makes them look better than if they just sit out the sweepstakes.
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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 01:16 PM) The thing is you can't discuss an extension during these negotiations, that would be considered tampering by MLB and has already been warned against. I would also be willing to bet that any extension that didn't look like an extension that has already been signed by someone around MLB would get thrown out. You are probably talking something like Tim Anderson's contract, and not a nine figure deal. I thought that the consensus was that there basically was going to be some tampering and whatever teams tried to sign him were just going to have to hide it. I guess we really don't know what is going to happen for his signing. Ill say this though, he is probably going to be one of the most talked about names in baseball by next season without ever having played an inning. Thats gotta help get some endorsements that takes the sting out of losing out on the big contract right away.
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QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 12:35 PM) Actually hope Hahn continues to stay away Not big on this kid Its not 300k though if we have that big agreement in place on an extension after his first year. Then you are basically locked in to signing him for that huge contract because it would look really bad and could have repurcusions if you don't go through with the extension. If he is willing to just sign and then talk extension later, then I agree that there is no risk and we should at least throw our hat in the ring.
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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 10:08 AM) I'm not aware of how lucrative sponsorships and endorsements are in Japan, but I'm guessing you can live off of them, much as you can in the States, and that says nothing of the same that he might be able to get here as well. LeBron James is worth $400 million and has "only" made $200 million from the NBA. Otani can easily become unfathomably rich even if he comes over next year and "only" receives a $30 million signing bonus. The max signing bonus he can get is less than $10mil and some are saying he might sign with a restricted team meaning he only gets $300K. But the point still stands, he will probably make a ton in endorsements right away.
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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 3, 2017 -> 10:15 PM) Literally can't get him ? He can still sign for 300K can't he ? I know it sounds ridiculous but in the context of the highest amount he can be offered it's not a big difference. If he becomes a major leaguer right away wouldn't his minimal salary be added to the bonus pool money and he would be under control for the normal amount of time? A promise to let him attempt to be an everyday player and starting pitcher seems like something that other teams wouldn't promise. Also do we think part of the offers to him will promise to extend or renegotiate his contract or is that not kosher ? The league said they would be trying to prevent this, but its kinda hard to figure out exactly how they are going to determine if things were pre-negotiated or not, especially for a team like the White Sox which just signed a guy without a full year of service time to an extension.
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QUOTE (Username @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 08:34 AM) To be fair, he's flashed mammoth power in the past (see AA last year in a pitchers park and spring training). I think ISO is the hardest to predict at the ML level (look at Leury, other guys that have gained some late). He made dramatic contact skill increases this year and has been getting on base all year. If the power keeps playing up he's got the skills/swing to be productive. Plus the difference in the ML vs minor league ball doesn't hurt (it is actually a different ball)...look at how many guys have had huge power breakouts in the majors. I don't disagree, but there is going to be some regression if just because pitchers will eventually find a strategy against him. The big thing is how much he regresses and whether it can still make up for his bad defense. It will be interesting to watch him continue to develop.
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The good: He has already posted a 0.8 oWAR on baseball reference in only 13 games. Thats more than a starter, thats all star level production. The bad: There is almost a 0% chance he maintains said production. His BB% and K% are in normal bounds, but his BABIP and ISO are much higher than normal. On a more basic level, who thinks he can actually maintain hitting close to .400? The question is how far will the offensive profile regress because... The ugly: He already has a -0.3 dWAR on baseball reference in only 13 games and in a position where we are trying to hide his defensive struggles. If we abandon the idea of trying to have him play 3B and let him concentrate on LF he should improve and hopefully become atleast a replacement level defensive player. If he can improve his defense in LF, I really like his chances to hang around and be a contributor to atleast the beginning of our competitive period. Right now I'd say he probably had greater odds of sticking around than Davidson or Saladino.
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JR "Ozzie can't come back as Manager"
GenericUserName replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/colum...610-column.html After reading this article, I think that Ozzie has changed for the better. I wouldn't mind him being back with the Sox, but I'm also not going to call for Ricky's job so we can have Ozzie back. -
Clippard to Houston for PTBNL or cash
GenericUserName replied to Superstar Lamar's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Could it be that the PTBNL is someone on their 40 or that is rule 5 eligible that we want them to hold onto so they don't take up a spot on our 40 for the rule 5 draft? I think we are going to be right up against the limit with some of these recent acquisitions and Houston might have the space and not care as long as the spot is open for them for free agency. I haven't looked at their 40 man and any roster crunch, but its just an idea. -
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 03:29 PM) The Orioles, I should have known. It looked like the rest of the deals involved some pretty significant players. The Orioles have traded their pick almost every year. This guy was traded in 2012 along with a "low level minor leaguer" for a round A pick. He literally was a -1 WAR player through 55 games at the time of the trade.
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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 03:10 PM) Like who? Honestly I can't recall any off of the top of my head. I know teams have been active in moving international cap space for smaller returns, but can't recall any comp pick trades. I looked up a couple a few days ago and I'm pretty sure like none of the players even ended up having positive WAR seasons. This article even explains how the Dodgers got a round B pick by basically taking on a ~$3 million contract. Dodgers Buy Draft Pick
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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 02:20 PM) I think you are really overvaluing these guys. At best they a second division starters. They are the type of guys you are always looking to replace and upgrade. No one is giving up basically a second round pick for that. Check out some of the guys who were traded for comp picks though. They're generally not great and if one of these teams gets an injury early on, we could jump in anf fill the position without them having to wait for July.
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One thing I would like to see us do is to take a couple of the non-highly touted prospects who are being brought up or knocking on the door at AAA (think Delmonico, Willy Garcia, Danny Hayes, etc) and put them on the market early next year and see if you can get trade them for a comp pick. It would allow us the financial flexibility to go after a good high school guy if he falls and not worry about having to cut an underslot deal in the first round. I think this is important because at some point we are going to have to get some young guys in the system so we don't have a logjam at one level and we can't really do it with international signings while in the penalty.
