I suppose he's a good coach - everyone says he is.

Aside from Q and Sale he hasn't had much material to work with.

Still, I would be fine with some fresh blood. Of course, I would be fine with fresh blood in a lot of places, including the Front Office.

Esteban Loaiza. Nuff said.

Esteban Loaiza. Nuff said.

Well, if you want to go back that far, I'll take the player they cast-off Loaiza for - Jose Contreras. A flop for the Yankees turned into the best starter on a great WS WS rotation.

I suppose he's a good coach - everyone says he is.

Aside from Q and Sale he hasn't had much material to work with.

Still, I would be fine with some fresh blood. Of course, I would be fine with fresh blood in a lot of places, including the Front Office.

 

What?

My point goes back to my first post, the undying love for Don Cooper is the exact opposite from any other White Sox non player. I have stated numerous times in this thread, I think he is fine. But it's like no pitcher would ever have success if Coop wasn't the pitching coach. I give the players more credit for being successful. If it all was about Coop wisdom, and not talent and execution, Coop would have had a better pitching career himself. I don't think if he quit at the end of the season the team ERA would be a run lower next year because of it. I also don't think it would be a run higher.

I agree it's not black and white where they wouldn't do anything without him. But I also think you are vastly underrating him as "fine." He is one of the better coaches in the league. That rates far above fine.

Per press reports yeah it was

That's what I recall as well. I perceived the plan as it was for the rest of the season to continue to build him towards being able to handle the full time load as a starter. He never really went through the innings building phase in the minors as he pretty much came straight to the MLB.