6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Here's a way to put this whole thing in perspective...and Padres currently have 16 (SIXTEEN) pitchers who could easily be ranked ahead of Dunning/Hansen/Lambert/Flores!!!

No doubt:  M.Gore, Chris Paddack (will make the starting rotation, he's their version of Kopech), Cal Quantrill, Morejon, Michael Baez and Anderson Espinoza (Red Sox trade) and Logan Allen.  Joey Lucchesi and Lauer already in the rotation.

Total=9

 

Better: Patino, Dilson Lamet (coming back from TJ this season), Matt Strahm (Royals trade, will make starting rotation after reconverting from relief)

Total=3

 

Arguable/Debatable either way:  R.Erlin, R.Weathers, Luis Perdomo, Jacob Nix

Total=4

That's not perspective nor fact, this is you just making shit up and slapping some arguable/debatable language in there and listing names per usual

31 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

That's not perspective nor fact, this is you just making shit up and slapping some arguable/debatable language in there and listing names per usual

Which rating service do you care to go by?  FG?  BP?  BA?  MLB Pipeline?   Logan Allen is at #74, all of those other pitchers in the first paragraph are almost universally listed ahead of Allen.

Dunning was #80 before TJS, so that gives you seven ahead of Dane on Pipeline.

I suppose I could have just just said there are 16 pitchers ahead of or comparable to a Dunning, but then you’d argue that there’s no evidence or support to back up an unsubstantiated claim.

Tell us which of the other 9 you’d take Dunning over...I’ll possibly concede Erlin, Perdomo (2.5 fWAR early in his career) could be argued either way and Jacob Nix (#14 Padres’ system).  Matt Strahm has accumulated 1.5 fWAR as a 27 year old lefty, mostly pitching out of the bullpen.

Even conceding two or three names, that’s either 13 or 14 ahead of Dunning, who is still technically our #3.

 

And Kopech won’t even be able to pitch this year, so it’s essentially Cease/Covey/Banuelos against their 16 youngsters.

How can the White Sox not have at least 6-8 legitimate pitching prospects under age 27 going on the third year of the rebuild?

It seems insane to base the entire future of the franchise on four pitchers with TJS and Carlos Rodon, who might not even make it to the 2021 season in a White Sox jersey.

Edited March 19, 20196 yr by caulfield12

8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Here's a way to put this whole thing in perspective...and Padres currently have 16 (SIXTEEN) pitchers who could easily be ranked ahead of Dunning/Hansen/Lambert/Flores!!!

No doubt:  M.Gore, Chris Paddack (will make the starting rotation, he's their version of Kopech), Cal Quantrill, Morejon, Michael Baez and Anderson Espinoza (Red Sox trade) and Logan Allen.  Joey Lucchesi and Lauer already in the rotation.

Total=9

 

Better: Patino, Dilson Lamet (coming back from TJ this season), Matt Strahm (Royals trade, will make starting rotation after reconverting from relief)

Total=3

 

Arguable/Debatable either way:  R.Erlin, R.Weathers, Luis Perdomo, Jacob Nix

Total=4

This is officially where this thread jumped the shark / lost all relevant discussion.

SoxTalk isn't PadresTalk, FriarTalk, or ConnfessionTime. Please take all further Dunning conversation to the other Dunning thread.