June 11, 20196 yr I've talked about this a few times. This rotation is difficult right now. Cashner is not good, he's not terrible, he's that right kinda bad. He's that "what Ivan Nova should have been" kinda bad. He's owed money, he has a vesting option he will not get based on last years work load, and so he should come cheap. And if he does not come cheap than you don't trade for him. Also, this is a great opportunity to mention the James Shields trade. Everyone will be extremely proud of your reference to that trade, and how you are still upset about Tatis, so please do that. Nobody is tired of it. Anyway prove me wrong.
June 11, 20196 yr I'd do it. Still can't believe that they haven't been able to get enough back end starter types either in MLB or the AAA level.
June 11, 20196 yr Author I've been alerted to this wrinkle to the plan: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/orioles-andrew-cashner-indicates-hell-consider-giving-up-baseball-if-hes-traded-at-the-deadline/
June 11, 20196 yr Author 7 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: How about Jose Urena? The fact that he has 2 years of control makes me worry that we'd have to actually give something up.
June 11, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, bmags said: I've talked about this a few times. This rotation is difficult right now. Cashner is not good, he's not terrible, he's that right kinda bad. He's that "what Ivan Nova should have been" kinda bad. He's owed money, he has a vesting option he will not get based on last years work load, and so he should come cheap. And if he does not come cheap than you don't trade for him. Also, this is a great opportunity to mention the James Shields trade. Everyone will be extremely proud of your reference to that trade, and how you are still upset about Tatis, so please do that. Nobody is tired of it. Anyway prove me wrong. Sure, I'd do it for like a Trey Michalczewski type. Not sure why Baltimore would even bother with that though. They have to do something though. The rotation situation is insulting to the fans, and more importantly, the guys that you want to go out there and, ya know, give a shit.
June 11, 20196 yr At this point, it appears the Sox are not going to end the season over .500, with or without Cashner due to the entire pitching staff. I know everyone wants to see development and an improved record but I’d rather have one more high’ish draft pick. Edited June 11, 20196 yr by Moan4Yoan
June 11, 20196 yr I hate the Sox current starting rotation situation as much as anyone, but trading for half a year of Andrew Cashner doesn't make much sense to me. The guy has a 4.73 ERA. While that's better than pretty much everyone the Sox currently have other than Giolito, it's not like Cashner would make that much of an impact.
June 11, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, Hatchetman said: Couldn't we just sign James Shields? Now we're on the trolley!
June 12, 20196 yr Author 1 hour ago, Whitesox27 said: I hate the Sox current starting rotation situation as much as anyone, but trading for half a year of Andrew Cashner doesn't make much sense to me. The guy has a 4.73 ERA. While that's better than pretty much everyone the Sox currently have other than Giolito, it's not like Cashner would make that much of an impact. That’s 1.5 runs better than 2 of our starters and 3 runs better than today’s.
June 12, 20196 yr 8 hours ago, bmags said: I've talked about this a few times. This rotation is difficult right now. Cashner is not good, he's not terrible, he's that right kinda bad. He's that "what Ivan Nova should have been" kinda bad. He's owed money, he has a vesting option he will not get based on last years work load, and so he should come cheap. And if he does not come cheap than you don't trade for him. Also, this is a great opportunity to mention the James Shields trade. Everyone will be extremely proud of your reference to that trade, and how you are still upset about Tatis, so please do that. Nobody is tired of it. Anyway prove me wrong. Didn't Cashner say that he liked Baltimore so much if he was traded he'd consider retiring? (Guess he likes losing too...)
June 12, 20196 yr 4 hours ago, bmags said: That’s 1.5 runs better than 2 of our starters and 3 runs better than today’s. First question — What do you think Cashner’s WAR is for the rest of the season? Second question — Is that even worth bothering to acquire? Third question — Cashner has a $10 million dollar team option for 2020. Do you really want to leave it up to Hahn to not waste more money on yet another bad starter with an ERA over 5 next offseason? Nova and Santana were enough for me. Edited June 12, 20196 yr by Moan4Yoan
June 12, 20196 yr Author 5 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: First question — What do you think Cashner’s WAR is for the rest of the season? Second question — Is that even worth bothering to acquire? Third question — Cashner has a $10 million dollar team option for 2020. Do you really want to leave it up to Hahn to not waste more money on yet another bad starter with an ERA over 5 next offseason? Nova and Santana were enough for me. .6 see how I made a thread It’s a vesting option for an innings amount he will not hit. See first post.
June 12, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, bmags said: .6 see how I made a thread It’s a vesting option for an innings amount he will not hit. See first post. Okay, I checked Cot’s and confirmed the option information. I was wrong there. But your reply of .6 WAR answers questions one and two, doesn’t it?
June 12, 20196 yr Author 9 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Okay, I checked Cot’s and confirmed the option information. I was wrong there. But your reply of .6 WAR answers questions one and two, doesn’t it? Do you understand how bad our pitchers are?
June 12, 20196 yr 15 minutes ago, bmags said: Do you understand how bad our pitchers are? Yes, but what is barely over half a win going to do to improve this team for the rest of the season? Why bother if it isn’t going to make them a contender? Bring the next chump in line up from the minors. If they were decently over .500 and you had one massive hole in the rotation, Cashner would make sense, but the Sox aren’t that close this year. Or are you of the opinion that the Sox still have a shot at the Wild Card? Edited June 12, 20196 yr by Moan4Yoan
June 12, 20196 yr Author No I’m of the opinion that watching three out of five non major league pitchers sucks and cashner would not compromise anything to acquire.
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