June 25, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Look at the eight teams that are out of the race / rebuilding and see what you may be able to do. In 2004 when the Sox needed pitching they got Garcia and Contreras. How did that work out? It can be done. Garcia was acquired right about this time of the season but Contreras was acquired at the July 31 deadline. It's possible to get them now but not very often. It's even more difficult now compared to 2004 with the second wild card. Deals this time of year are tough.
June 25, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Look at the eight teams that are out of the race / rebuilding and see what you may be able to do. In 2004 when the Sox needed pitching they got Garcia and Contreras. How did that work out? It can be done. If a team was willing to give up a struggling but talented pitcher for Abreu or Colome I'd be interested, but aside from that, I still have zero urge to give up any talent worth anything in a trade right now. The White Sox's payroll right now is SO UNGODLY LOW next year that we may as well pretend that we're scrooge mcduck swimming in gold coins. We need a RF, a starting pitcher, and a couple bullpen pitchers (or a bullpen/swing guy) next year. We could sign the best ones of each of those positions on the market, supplement our bench, and still have a payroll below $100 million. There's no reason to give up the kinds of things we gave up in the Garcia deal - young but talented players who may or may not be good long term - when we have SO MUCH MONEY TO SPEND NEXT YEAR. If the Diamondbacks wanted to dump Greinke's salary, I would listen on that, but they're not getting anything of value back.
June 25, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Look at the eight teams that are out of the race / rebuilding and see what you may be able to do. In 2004 when the Sox needed pitching they got Garcia and Contreras. How did that work out? It can be done. Garcia and Contreras were also struggling when we acquired them. If we acquired a struggling vet, you'd have a shit-fit.
June 25, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, TaylorStSox said: Garcia and Contreras were also struggling when we acquired them. If we acquired a struggling vet, you'd have a shit-fit. Garcia was the top pitcher on the 2004 trade market and had a 3.20 ERA at the time he was traded.
June 25, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Garcia was the top pitcher on the 2004 trade market and had a 3.20 ERA at the time he was traded. In 15 starts. The previous 3 years, he had era's in the 4's and was k'ing 6 per 9. Nice try at the "gotcha" post though. Edited June 25, 20196 yr by TaylorStSox
June 28, 20196 yr On 6/25/2019 at 3:23 PM, TaylorStSox said: In 15 starts. The previous 3 years, he had era's in the 4's and was k'ing 6 per 9. Nice try at the "gotcha" post though. Can you ever admit you were wrong ? Your post said at the time he was acquired he was struggling. Then you move the goal posts and say the previous 3 years.
June 28, 20196 yr 10 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Can you ever admit you were wrong ? Your post said at the time he was acquired he was struggling. Then you move the goal posts and say the previous 3 years. I'm wrong all the time. Garcia had been on a downward trend for several years before he was acquired.
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