December 13, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I mean, the market is quickly running out of pitchers. Kind of bizarre that we’re waiting to see who will be the last man standing and simply signing them rather than be proactive and going after a guy we think may be undervalued. This is the most frustrating thing.
December 13, 20196 yr The market is rapidly running out of FA starters that are better than Dylan Covey. Edited December 13, 20196 yr by Hatchetman
December 13, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Oh I know, but that still doesn’t change the fact that the supply side is quickly shrinking and if there is a guy we really like on a one year deal (like say Wood) that maybe we should be a bit more aggressive. My concern (which is a bit Parkman-ish admittedly) is we view all these pitchers as interchangeable and are simply waiting for the best bargain possible. That seems unlikely, but at the same time we haven’t signed anyone yet which is still very much surprising to me. What worries me even more is the Sox are trying to sign someone and keep coming up short. I don’t think that’s the case, but it’s hard to know for sure. They do seem to be attached to quite a few players this offseason.
December 13, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, Hatchetman said: The market is rapidly running out of FA starters that are better than Dylan Covey. Here's a list of starting pitchers still available; the ones who have been bolded are better than Dylan Covey: Name Hyun-Jin Ryu MadisonBumgarner Homer Bailey Ivan Nova Wade Miley Andrew Cashner Jason Vargas Julio Teheran Gio Gonzalez Rich Hill Dallas Keuchel Aaron Sanchez Collin McHugh Robbie Erlin Matt Moore Josh Tomlin Clay Buchholz Chad Bettis Cody Anderson Tommy Milone Jeremy Hellickson Taijuan Walker Tyson Ross Jhoulys ChacÃn Felix Hernandez Jimmy Nelson Edinson Volquez Marco Estrada Clayton Richard Alex Wood Danny Salazar Kohl Stewart Shelby Miller Steven Wright Rico Garcia Drew Smyly Matt Harvey Wade LeBlanc Jerad Eickhoff Wei-Yin Chen Ervin Santana Ross Detwiler Trevor Cahill Derek Holland Edwin Jackson James Shields Edited December 13, 20196 yr by Look at Ray Ray Run
December 13, 20196 yr If “better than Covey” is what Hahn is shooting for, we may as well fast forward to 2021.
December 13, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Unless the target was Brett Anderson, the market didn't run out of anything after his signing. What? I said the market is quickly running out of starters, not that Anderson has caused it to run out right now. No idea what you are arguing
December 13, 20196 yr Just now, Chicago White Sox said: What? I said the market is quickly running out of starters, not that Anderson has caused it to run out right now. No idea what you are arguing And so what if the market is running out of bad starters?
December 13, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Here's a list of starting pitchers still available; the ones who have been bolded are better than Dylan Covey: I think some of those guys are deceased. Though still may be better than Covey.
December 13, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: If “better than Covey” is what Hahn is shooting for, we may as well fast forward to 2021. I think you would catch that was a joke and a slight exaggeration; Covey might have the edge over Rico Garcia lol
December 13, 20196 yr 8 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: What worries me even more is the Sox are trying to sign someone and keep coming up short. I don’t think that’s the case, but it’s hard to know for sure. They do seem to be attached to quite a few players this offseason. And mostly affordable guys where it should only take an extra million or two to land them. You’d think we’d have our pick of the litter given our financial flexibility.
December 13, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: And so what if the market is running out of bad starters? Then we’ll go with Dylan Covey and god knows who then...
December 13, 20196 yr Walker, McHugh, Salazar, Wood and Miley are guys I would take ahead of those who have signed from that tier for sure. There are others that would be a toss up that I'd probably take over the current signees as well. Although Salazar is never going back into a rotation.
December 13, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Then we’ll go with Dylan Covey and god knows who then... I'm truly not losing any sleep over who the Sox fifth starter is going to be. We need to find a #2, that's what's important right now.
December 13, 20196 yr Just now, HOFHurt35 said: I'm truly not losing any sleep over who the Sox fifth starter is going to be. We need to find a #2, that's what's important right now. Do you realize how bad our #5 starters were last year?
December 13, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Do you realize how bad our #5 starters were last year? About -1.7 WAR for the season.
December 13, 20196 yr Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Do you realize how bad our #5 starters were last year? Do you realize how bad our 2-5 starters were last year? You're putting the cart before the horse. Get a #2. Hope Kopech and Cease are the real deal. That should be our focus.
December 13, 20196 yr TIL that James Shields has not formally retired. Someone might want to let him know that it's over.
December 13, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, HOFHurt35 said: Do you realize how bad our 2-5 starters were last year? You're putting the cart before the horse. Get a #2. Hope Kopech and Cease are the real deal. That should be our focus. We need both. There is zero reason that Hahn can’t pursue both at the same time. Also, who fits this #2 starter type that you think we’ll pursue?
December 13, 20196 yr Just now, Chicago White Sox said: We need both. There is zero reason that Hahn can’t pursue both at the same time. Also, who fits this #2 starter type that you think we’ll pursue? That's Rich Hahn's job, either pay the price for Bumgarner or Ryu or trade for someone. I truly don't care what he does with the #5, and as far as I know Reynaldo Lopez isn't dead yet.
December 13, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: About -1.7 WAR for the season. should be closer to -3 WAR
December 13, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: That's Rich Hahn's job, either pay the price for Bumgarner or Ryu or trade for someone. I truly don't care what he does with the #5, and as far as I know Reynaldo Lopez isn't dead yet. Gio, Reylo, Cease are literally the only starters they have that they can rely on for opening day. Cease and Reylo are still big question marks; obviously both could improve and be very good but they shouldn't be relying on that. Hahn has no interest in overpaying the three guys left, so if their prices don't come down I'm pretty sure the Sox are out and that's actually fine with me.
December 13, 20196 yr Just now, Hatchetman said: should be closer to -3 WAR Based on what? It's no where near -3. Detwiler - 70 IP; -.6 Manny - 50 IP; -.4 Ervin - 13 IP; -.4 (This is IMPRESSIVE in 13 innings) Despaigne 13 IP; -.1 Fulmer/Hecton 22 IP; -.15 That's -1.65 5th starter spot is only getting about 165 innings in a year. That's 168 above.
December 13, 20196 yr 35 minutes ago, Hatchetman said: The market is rapidly running out of FA starters that are better than Dylan Covey. I am a free agent starter who is better than Covey and I quit playing in 1985.
December 13, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Gio, Reylo, Cease are literally the only starters they have that they can rely on for opening day. Cease and Reylo are still big question marks; obviously both could improve and be very good but they shouldn't be relying on that. Hahn has no interest in overpaying the three guys left, so if their prices don't come down I'm pretty sure the Sox are out and that's actually fine with me. I think that's were fans are being wrong and unrealistic. The Sox are heavily relying on those guys. Cease has to be good in order for this rebuild to work. Lopez needs to be given a chance to stick in this rotation on the back end. I think we as fans are being a bit impatient and want to win in 2020 at any cost, even if it's pushing young developing pieces to the side. That wasn't the purpose of this rebuild. For a Brett Anderson to come in here and take a rotation spot from as Cease or Lopez all because of being desparate to see if we can squeeze into a WC spot. It makes no sense.
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