Getz: "We are... building from the ground, up"

[Balta1701]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Or c) The Sox knew they were in trouble. There was no starting rotation or bullpen. They thought that plugging a few holes could get them in the same zip code of .500 where they could claim "roll of the dice", but the wheels fell off in the first 11 games, the axles then fell off, then Mad Max road pirates took anything else they had. 

If that’s the case, it is really weird that they spent so much money on Maldonado, Lopez, Brebbia, Pham, DeJong, Soroka, Hill, and Clevinger. Those are not the moves you make if you think you are a 60 win team.

[WhiteSox2023]

6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If that’s the case, it is really weird that they spent so much money on Maldonado, Lopez, Brebbia, Pham, DeJong, Soroka, Hill, and Clevinger. Those are not the moves you make if you think you are a 60 win team.

$26.6 million.

 

[southsider2k5]

18 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If that’s the case, it is really weird that they spent so much money on Maldonado, Lopez, Brebbia, Pham, DeJong, Soroka, Hill, and Clevinger. Those are not the moves you make if you think you are a 60 win team.

Yep.  It's stuff like this that makes the whole "they knew all along" company line a few people are hitched to scream BS.

[Balta1701]

16 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

$26.6 million.

 

 

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Yep.  It's stuff like this that makes the whole "they knew all along" company line a few people are hitched to scream BS.

I’ll even grant that the Fedde deal was super smart either way, but yeah this is a lot to spend to rebuild. That’s like 30% of their payroll on their field generals/guys added in the offseason.

Also they made sure to have an option on Maldonado because of their confidence they’d want him back at the same price.

[GreenSox]

 When JR hired Getz,  JR said that Getz knew the system and org., so he wouldn't have to spend time getting familiar with everything.  I suppose from that one could infer that JR expected a fairly quick turnround. But I don't recall the Sox saying they expected to win.  One could also look at their actions.  They trade their best pitcher for 3 prospects.  They trade their 2 best relievers; one for roster fillers and the other for prospects.  The make a clever signing of Fedde and almost immediately peddle him.  These aren't the actions of a team trying to win now.

The organization has never recovered from December 9, 2014, when the estimable White Sox GM cut-short a rebuild that was actually working.  Instead he decided to push in his chips and rent Jeff Samardzija for a year.  Undaunted by the abject failure of that move, GM followed it with a series of terrible moves that deepened the hole. In July 2016, the GM announces he’s rebuilding again:  that might have been the most asset-rich position from which to start a rebuild in ML history.  

And how, we’re at it again, with some assets, but nowhere near what we had in July 2016.  Hahn did arguably his best work as GM grabbing some good young players when he cleared out the bullpen in 2023.  Getz comes in and he doesn’t have a whole lot to work with.  He likely goofed the Cease trade (there is still hope);  He made a great move acquiring  Fedde, but really effed up his departure trade.  He did what his goofball predecessor should have done with Crochet; so far, it looks good. 

There is a long way to go.  I don’t have great confidence that Getz can get this done.  But he didn’t cause it and he didn’t hire himself.  And hope and pray that we have some hidden farm talent like we had in 2014... and that Getz realizes it (something his predecessor never did).  

[greg775]

40 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If that’s the case, it is really weird that they spent so much money on Maldonado, Lopez, Brebbia, Pham, DeJong, Soroka, Hill, and Clevinger. Those are not the moves you make if you think you are a 60 win team.

Yeah but those players all reek. When the Sox acquired them I was thinking they needed some warm bodies just to be able to field a team at all. Not one of those players you mentioned is any good but they were big league warm bodies.

[caulfield12]

59 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

 When JR hired Getz,  JR said that Getz knew the system and org., so he wouldn't have to spend time getting familiar with everything.  I suppose from that one could infer that JR expected a fairly quick turnround. But I don't recall the Sox saying they expected to win.  One could also look at their actions.  They trade their best pitcher for 3 prospects.  They trade their 2 best relievers; one for roster fillers and the other for prospects.  The make a clever signing of Fedde and almost immediately peddle him.  These aren't the actions of a team trying to win now.

The organization has never recovered from December 9, 2014, when the estimable White Sox GM cut-short a rebuild that was actually working.  Instead he decided to push in his chips and rent Jeff Samardzija for a year.  Undaunted by the abject failure of that move, GM followed it with a series of terrible moves that deepened the hole. In July 2016, the GM announces he’s rebuilding again:  that might have been the most asset-rich position from which to start a rebuild in ML history.  

And how, we’re at it again, with some assets, but nowhere near what we had in July 2016.  Hahn did arguably his best work as GM grabbing some good young players when he cleared out the bullpen in 2023.  Getz comes in and he doesn’t have a whole lot to work with.  He likely goofed the Cease trade (there is still hope);  He made a great move acquiring  Fedde, but really effed up his departure trade.  He did what his goofball predecessor should have done with Crochet; so far, it looks good. 

There is a long way to go.  I don’t have great confidence that Getz can get this done.  But he didn’t cause it and he didn’t hire himself.  And hope and pray that we have some hidden farm talent like we had in 2014... and that Getz realizes it (something his predecessor never did).  

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX201605100.shtml

This was the game that ended 2016.

23-10...up 5-6 games in the division, leading Texas 11-6 and ended up losing 13-11.

Then the desperation Shields and cash considerations trade for Johnson/Tatis Jr...the illusion of guys like Rollins Latos and Frazier holding the whole thing together started to collapse and they finished 78-84, playing 55-74 for the remainder of the season.