Shane Smith (White Sox All Star)

[nrockway]

6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Except Perez missed four months, injured twice...and Houser eventually led to Mead, who has been a net negative due to his lack of power at the corners.

Fedde turned into a 1+ fWAR Vargas, but he still needs to be a 2-2.5 war infielder to provide any real value to a playoff caliber team.

and William Bergolla and Jeral Perez. Bergolla seems like a Meidroth clone and Perez has some power. Although Perez might just be Elko because of the Ks. except he walks at a much more respectable rate and kinda sorta plays up the middle defense.

Vargas is probably just as good as Tommy Edman (pretty much exact same 2025 WAR) except Vargas is 5 years younger and makes a whole lot less money. One thinks in that deal, Kopech was actually the more prized commodity. 

Houser also returned Ben Peoples and Ducan Davitt who are probably not MLB players but Peoples might be legit. 

 

re: Fedde and Houser, they both had long track records as not so good pitchers and MLB teams don't necessarily have short memories. I'm not sure if there's precedent for a pitcher being picked up off the waiver wire/as a cheap retread from Korea and then being traded for a presently very good player. It's sort of amazing those guys returned anything. Although Mead is just disappointing. Maybe if he actually had some power or walked even a little bit. 0 homers, 3 BB to 27 Ks as a Sock is not what you want to see but probably might have expected. 

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I think Davis Martin has more trade value for sure. I think the Sox should look to trade him, package him with some prospects or something for a real outfielder.

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, nrockway said:

and William Bergolla and Jeral Perez. Bergolla seems like a Meidroth clone and Perez has some power. Although Perez might just be Elko because of the Ks. except he walks at a much more respectable rate and kinda sorta plays up the middle defense.

Vargas is probably just as good as Tommy Edman (pretty much exact same 2025 WAR) except Vargas is 5 years younger and makes a whole lot less money. One thinks in that deal, Kopech was actually the more prized commodity. 

Houser also returned Ben Peoples and Ducan Davitt who are probably not MLB players but Peoples might be legit. 

 

re: Fedde and Houser, they both had long track records as not so good pitchers and MLB teams don't necessarily have short memories. I'm not sure if there's precedent for a pitcher being picked up off the waiver wire/as a cheap retread from Korea and then being traded for a presently very good player. It's sort of amazing those guys returned anything. Although Mead is just disappointing. Maybe if he actually had some power or walked even a little bit. 0 homers, 3 BB to 27 Ks as a Sock is not what you want to see but probably might have expected. 

Nick Martinez has arguably had the most success of the KBO guys, at least contract-wise.

Kyle Hart on the Padres was a bargain budget deal this year.  Not the best results.

Edited September 25 by caulfield12

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11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Nick Martinez has arguably had the most success of the KBO guys, at least contract-wise.

Kyle Hart on the Padres was a bargain budget deal this year.  Not the best results.

Right, I just mean in terms of what could these sort of guys realistically be traded for. I'm not sure there's much precedent for a trade in this scenario but I could be wrong. If I recall correctly, the Padres declined Martinez's (reasonable) options and Cincinnati was able to sign him for 2/26 (Martinez declined the second year and took the $21mil QO instead). I do think if the Reds traded him midseason 2024 or 2025, he might have netted more than Fedde...longer track record of being back, having success. But he's paid $21mil this year compared to Fedde's $8mil or so.

Edited September 25 by nrockway