30 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

So why do you need the Sox to do more than what the rest of the league normally does?

You simply have no choice when you're operating with a Bottom 3 payroll but to innovate like CLE TB MIL

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28 minutes ago, tray said:

had

Two shutouts in KC is impressive.

18 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

It wouldn't be shocking if NONE of those positional players are starting with the White Sox in 2028.

Teel is probably where I would place my bet.

McDougal is likely to end up in the bullpen with Taylor.

Mune will be traded if he excels...or be another Benintendi if he flops.

Ishbia bucks aren't suddenly going to materialize to extend him.

And injuries were the excuse last April as well.

Hays was a shocker to no one who studied his injury history since 2020. Baldwin was a freak injury for a positional player and Teel will be fine.

You're acting like the Sox are Toronto and missing four frontline starting pitchers from their rotation the first month.

Totally incomparable scenario.

3 minutes ago, nrockway said:

Totally incomparable scenario.

50/50 reliever risk

"Few pitchers can match McDougal's ability to light up a radar gun and spin a breaking ball. His fastball sits in the upper 90s and peaks at 101, though it comes with more downhill plane than life and can get pounded if he doesn't command it well. His high-spin 78-82 mph curveball features so much downer movement that it's both extremely difficult to hit or land in the strike zone, so his upper-80s slider that also has tremendous depth is more effective.

McDougal is similar to Grant Taylor in that he's a right-hander with overwhelming stuff and not much finesse. After control and command woes led to a demotion to Single-A in July 2024, he dedicated that offseason to getting in better shape and did a much better job of locating his pitches last year. He could be a mid-rotation starter, but he doesn't trust his upper-80s changeup with some fade and still needs to add more polish, so it's also possible that his best long-term fit is as a late-inning reliever."

mlb.com

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

50/50 reliever risk

"Few pitchers can match McDougal's ability to light up a radar gun and spin a breaking ball. His fastball sits in the upper 90s and peaks at 101, though it comes with more downhill plane than life and can get pounded if he doesn't command it well. His high-spin 78-82 mph curveball features so much downer movement that it's both extremely difficult to hit or land in the strike zone, so his upper-80s slider that also has tremendous depth is more effective.

McDougal is similar to Grant Taylor in that he's a right-hander with overwhelming stuff and not much finesse. After control and command woes led to a demotion to Single-A in July 2024, he dedicated that offseason to getting in better shape and did a much better job of locating his pitches last year. He could be a mid-rotation starter, but he doesn't trust his upper-80s changeup with some fade and still needs to add more polish, so it's also possible that his best long-term fit is as a late-inning reliever."

mlb.com

I worry about Taylor’s mechanical ability to deal his stuff for 100 pitches 30 times a season and I don’t have that same concern with McDougz. I think he’s either a starter or not a MLB player. But what do I know.

4 minutes ago, nrockway said:

I worry about Taylor’s mechanical ability to deal his stuff for 100 pitches 30 times a season and I don’t have that same concern with McDougz. I think he’s either a starter or not a MLB player. But what do I know.

Obviously the previous TJ works against Taylor...that said not many guys at that velo have held on long term as starters but at least Crochet has made it so far.

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1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Dissected, or manipulating the rotation. You really think Getz’s plan was to make this many changes to the pitching staff just two weeks into the season?

Plan? Who cares? He's adjusting. And whatever he's doing, it's working well...

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Obviously the previous TJ works against Taylor...that said not many guys at that below have held on long term but at least Crochet has made it so far.

I dunno that Taylor and Crochet are comparable either. I think I can be quoted on this forum thinking Crochet was starting caliber (back when that was a debate based on his limited innings) but I’m more skeptical about Taylor. He seems more like Mason Miller to me which is still an incredibly productive pitcher. I don’t think Taylor is taking the Sale, Crochet route of ‘building up’ to starting. Hope to be wrong though.

51 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

You simply have no choice when you're operating with a Bottom 3 payroll but to innovate like CLE TB MIL

When they're winning, the Sox wind up in the top 5 for payroll. Which of their starters do you think they should be extending besides Cannon? Maybe Fedde should get 7/210 also?

1 minute ago, nrockway said:

I dunno that Taylor and Crochet are comparable either. I think I can be quoted on this forum thinking Crochet was starting caliber (back when that was a debate based on his limited innings) but I’m more skeptical about Taylor. He seems more like Mason Miller to me which is still an incredibly productive pitcher. I don’t think Taylor is taking the Sale, Crochet route of ‘building up’ to starting. Hope to be wrong though.

In theory he replaces Dominguez as closer next season....but generating offense has to be far and away the biggest single concern ATM.

13 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Plan? Who cares? He's adjusting. And whatever he's doing, it's working well...

Worst record in MLB. “It’s working well…” 🤣

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20 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Worst record in MLB. “It’s working well…” 🤣

We're talking about the pitching staff. Did they change the rules where they get to hit again?

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

We're talking about the pitching staff. Did they change the rules where they get to hit again?

Shuffling the chairs on the deck of the Titanic is not working well.

7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Shuffling the chairs on the deck of the Titanic is not working well.

And repeating meaningless bumper sticker slogans doesn't invalidate the good work the rotation had been doing this month. Getz did a great job with this group.

40 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

In theory he replaces Dominguez as closer next season....but generating offense has to be far and away the biggest single concern ATM.

Yes, certainly. The offense is incredibly disappointing. Meanwhile LuBob is leading the NL in OBP.

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

And repeating meaningless bumper sticker slogans doesn't invalidate the good work the rotation had been doing this month. Getz did a great job with this group.

You were hyping up Tristan Peters as such a good acquisition for the outfield a week ago. Now he has a .532 OPS.

Sample sizes…

17 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You were hyping up Tristan Peters as such a good acquisition for the outfield a week ago. Now he has a .532 OPS.

Sample sizes…

He was. If you thought he was going to be an All-Star, joke's on you. He's a 4th OF. When he starts, he'll be exposed, as I said when I "hyped" him. When you're running backups for 4 starters, the team will suffer. I guess Getz sHoUlD hAvE kNoWn that Kyle Teel would get injured in the WBC. I guess he sHoUlD hAvE kNoWn that Baldwin would hurt his elbow. I guess he sHoUlD hAvE kNoWn Hays would be injured 12 games into the season. I guess Getz sHoUlD hAvE kNoWn Pereira would sprain his ankle, and they'd all be out together 14 games into the season.

Tristan Peters can hit a baseball sometimes, and he plays credible CF. He's a nice backup. So is Derek Hill. When they start, they get exposed. Acuña was supposed to be eased into CF. Oh well. Baldwin's out. Boo-hoo. Suck it up and be a man. Hays, Pereira and Teel will all be back soon. Ant-man will be up soon, as will McDougal.

You want to screech about hype? Here's my prediction: Sam Zavala's playing in Chicago before Braden Montgomery, and you'll be on 4chan boasting about how your boyyyyeeeee Getz plucked Zavala out of San Diego's minor league system. Eat it Navy Brats!!!

I guess he sHoUlD hAvE kNoWn Hays would be injured 12 games into the season

Pereira similar inability to stay on the field...hence not in NY or TB

/7/26	Hamstring
9/20/25	Back
5/29/25	Foot
4/29/25	Hamstring
3/26/25	Calf
9/5/24	Kidney Infection
8/8/24	Hamstring
8/7/24	Hamstring
7/13/24	Abductor
4/22/24	Calf
7/2/23	Hip
5/3/23	Finger
4/25/23	Hand
8/3/22	Oblique
7/10/22	Wrist
7/5/22	Hand
5/14/22	Hand
5/26/21	Hamstring
4/4/21	Hamstring
8/15/20	Rib

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Getz did a great job with this group.

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Kay 5.0 fip+

C.Murphy 5.35

Hicks 6.79

S.Smith 5.64

Newcomb 2.89 (what did Sox do?)

3.31-3 80 fip+ Fedde Martin Burke Leasure Taylor

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8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

He was. If you thought he was going to be an All-Star, joke's on you. He's a 4th OF. When he starts, he'll be exposed, as I said when I "hyped" him. When you're running backups for 4 starters, the team will suffer. I guess Getz sHoUlD hAvE kNoWn that Kyle Teel would get injured in the WBC. I guess he sHoUlD hAvE kNoWn that Baldwin would hurt his elbow. I guess he sHoUlD hAvE kNoWn Hays would be injured 12 games into the season. I guess Getz sHoUlD hAvE kNoWn Pereira would sprain his ankle, and they'd all be out together 14 games into the season.

Tristan Peters can hit a baseball sometimes, and he plays credible CF. He's a nice backup. So is Derek Hill. When they start, they get exposed. Acuña was supposed to be eased into CF. Oh well. Baldwin's out. Boo-hoo. Suck it up and be a man. Hays, Pereira and Teel will all be back soon. Ant-man will be up soon, as will McDougal.

You want to screech about hype? Here's my prediction: Sam Zavala's playing in Chicago before Braden Montgomery, and you'll be on 4chan boasting about how your boyyyyeeeee Getz plucked Zavala out of San Diego's minor league system. Eat it Navy Brats!!!

I said Peters and Hill were fifth outfielders. Zavala will be lucky if he reaches the majors.

3 hours ago, WestEddy said:

The Sox were talking to Giolito, and it never got close. When the team was losing 100 games in 2023, do you think they should have started extending that core who could never string two good seasons together? The Sox figured out putting Lopez in the bullpen, then traded him.

All of this is a distraction from the main point that the White Sox have extended their pitchers when they're winning, and to suggest they never do that is trollish BS.

This isn't a gotcha question, I am genuinely curious for your explanation. If Cease and Giolito weren't ever realistic extension targets what about Crochet? It became apparent shortly after his breakout that signing him to an extension is something he was interested in and in some ways a prerequisite to trading for him. 6 years 170M is a significant bargain compared his actual value. Is that something the Sox should have done themselves or was the team too far from contention to justify it?

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I said Peters and Hill were fifth outfielders. Zavala will be lucky if he reaches the majors.

They collectvely lead mlb in fake bunts along with Tanner Murray.

1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said:

This isn't a gotcha question, I am genuinely curious for your explanation. If Cease and Giolito weren't ever realistic extension targets what about Crochet? It became apparent shortly after his breakout that signing him to an extension is something he was interested in and in some ways a prerequisite to trading for him. 6 years 170M is a significant bargain compared his actual value. Is that something the Sox should have done themselves or was the team too far from contention to justify it?

Good "trick" question that can't be answered...