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11 hours ago · 1. White Sox trade Munetaka Murakami and cash considerations to the Diamondbacks for Ryan Waldschmidt & David Hagaman. What? How can you trade...

sorry not a subscriber so the article gets cut off, but the gist of the trade is there

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/dbacks

#1 prospect outfielder and #8 pitcher

Cash considerations FROM the Sox/JR?

your what hurts, Wimpy?

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by caulfield12

The D-backs subsequently took Waldschnidt with the 31st overall pick (the PPI selection they got for Corbin Carroll’s Rookie of the Year award), and Waldschmidt kept right on trucking offensively in his first full season with a .289/.419/.473 line, 18 homers and 29 steals in 134 games, spread evenly across High-A and Double-A.

You won’t catch Waldschmidt doing a lot of pre-pitch movement in his crouched stance -- all he uses is a slight lift of his front left ankle to load up and then yank his swing. He doesn’t expand the zone often either, leading to walk rates above 15 percent at both of his 2025 stops. The uphill nature of his swing makes him susceptible to sliders down and away and heat up and in, but it also helps him drive the ball in the air to make the most of his above-average raw power.

With the ACL injury behind him, Waldschmidt can be more of a free runner in the pros, and he showed he was willing to push the issue a bit on the basepaths. Originally thought to be stuck in left field, he showed more aptitude for center at Double-A (where he was out of Druw Jones’ defensive shadow) with improved jumps and reads, and he could hold the position down if needed, knowing his power-speed combo would work well in a corner too. 

Standing 6-foot-4, Hagaman generates elite extension down the mound and repeatedly exceeded the seven-foot mark in the AFL. That would help his 93-95 mph fastball play up as is, but he also gets really good induced vertical break on the heater, ranging from 16-20 inches. The D-backs believe there might be another tick or two of velo to be found the further he gets from elbow surgery and rehab too. Hagaman increased the use of his 82-85 mph curveball after the trade, and it flashed strong depth and sweep. There’s a tighter, slightly harder gyro slider too, and his 86-89 mph changeup flashes average with good drop compared to the four-seamer.

Hagaman walked only 6.1 percent of his Minor League batters faced in his first pro season, though that climbed to 13.5 percent in the desert. He relied on a lot of low-level batters chasing his stuff outside the zone to get there, and it’s a safe bet that’ll happen less against more disciplined hitters. Hagaman still needs to take on longer workloads, both in games and over the course of a season, and how everything holds up will determine his future place in an MLB rotation.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by caulfield12

These are not legitimate trade rumors. This is just garbage trade speculation. They actually call them “trade possibilities”. 🤣

“Here are two (of the many) trade possibilities we could possibly see in 2026.

1. White Sox trade Munetaka Murakami and cash considerations to the Diamondbacks for Ryan Waldschmidt & David Hagaman“

Just now, WhiteSox2023 said:

These are not legitimate trade rumors. This is just garbage trade speculation. They actually call them “trade possibilities”. 🤣

“Here are two (of the many) trade possibilities we could possibly see in 2026.

1. White Sox trade Munetaka Murakami and cash considerations to the Diamondbacks for Ryan Waldschmidt & David Hagaman“

Baseball America is the most legit publication out there.

They know their stuff...definitely on prospects. This actually feels like a pretty realistic proposal Except for JR parting with much $$$.

Makes a lot of sense for both teams, theoretically.

White Sox need another OF...at least one.

DBacks cash poor.

It all depends on how likely it is they can extend Mune...???

Holding him until next trade deadline drops his value by at least 50%.

Are we 100% sure a QO applies here???

Keep in mind, I already bought in and purchased a Mune jersey...not looking forward to this happening.

But better AZ than the Cubs or Dodgers or Yankees.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by caulfield12

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

Baseball America is the most legit publication out there.

They know their stuff...definitely on prospects. This actually feels like a pretty realistic proposal Except for JR parting with much $$$.

Makes a lot of sense for both teams, theoretically.

White Sox need another OF...at least one.

DBacks cash poor.

It all depends on how likely it is they can extend Mune...???

Holding him until next trade deadline drops his value by at least 50%.

Are we 100% sure a QO applies here???

Keep in mind, I already bought in and purchased a Mune jersey...not looking forward to this happening.

But better AZ than the Cubs or Dodgers or Yankees.

Yes, I know Baseball America is legitimate… when it comes to discussing prospects. But this article is just some dude guessing at potential trades. Like I said, he calls them “trade possibilities” and it’s obvious speculation made up out of thin air if you read the entire article. I can’t post the entire excerpt here because it is a paid article, but it’s not very difficult to figure out how to remove a paywall for free if you want to waste your time reading this BS.

So once again, I just wanted to inform people that this isn’t really a “trade rumor” as you titled the thread, with legitimate source(s) attached to it. It’s just some dude throwing s%*# at the wall.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by WhiteSox2023

Plus you get 12-14 years of control...

And unless you believe the Sox are going to rush Hagen Braden Bonemer and Cholowsky/Emerson to the majors in the next 14-15 months...the White Sox won't be competing for anything realistically in 2028.

Pretty much every projection model still forecasts the Sox in the 71-73 win total range for 2026.

Which requires you to believe the Tigers will struggle to stay at .500 and that Cleveland will be no more than 3-5 games over .500 for the remainder of the season.

What would the Rays Brewers Guardians do in a similar situation with a player?

RoY comp pick applies or not? McGonigle Mune DeLauter right now…

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by caulfield12

7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yes, I know Baseball America is legitimate… when it comes to discussing prospects. But this article is just some dude guessing at potential trades. Like I said, he calls them trade possibilities and it’s obvious speculation made up out of thin air if you read the entire article. I can’t post the entire excerpt here because it is a paid article, but it’s not very difficult to figure out how to remove a paywall if you want to waste your time reading this BS.

Sure click bait.

Everyone knows the Sox are last in revenues.

But all those major market teams are now considering how sustainable his current pace is and whether trading 2-3 prospects now and getting a friendlier extension and two extra pennant races is worth it....???

Cubs will likely lose Suzuki...could pair with Imanaga

Giants need to make a huge splash with Devers struggling...could rival Dodgers with Korean CF Lee and Mune. But not a great farm system.

Padres are always a threat.

Seattle needs something to kick start that team.

NYY acquire modern day Japanese Ruth to go with Judge Stanton Rice...Murderers' Row V2.

Mets have Cohen money/resources.

Rangers desperately need more offense.

Rays Pirates Reds Brewers could all use another big bat.

Red Sox offense scuffling like crazy.

etc etc etc

12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Sure click bait.

Everyone knows the Sox are last in revenues.

But all those major market teams are now considering how sustainable his current pace is and whether trading 2-3 prospects now and getting a friendlier extension and two extra pennant races is worth it....???

Cubs will likely lose Suzuki...could pair with Imanaga

Giants need to make a huge splash with Devers struggling...could rival Dodgers with Korean CF Lee and Mune. But not a great farm system.

Padres are always a threat.

Seattle needs something to kick start that team.

NYY acquire modern day Japanese Ruth to go with Judge Stanton Rice...Murderers' Row V2.

Mets have Cohen money/resources.

Rangers desperately need more offense.

Rays Pirates Reds Brewers could all use another big bat.

Red Sox offense scuffling like crazy.

etc etc etc

Matt Shaw, the guy I was hoping the Sox would look into trading for this past offseason, is already having a good start to the season with his bat and hasn’t been bad in his transition to RF.

Also, one of the Cubs top prospects (Kevin Alcántara) is currently killing the ball at AAA Iowa and he plays all outfield spots.

After their recent spending splurge this past offseason, along with Shaw/Alcantara around to replace Suzuki, and Busch not being a free agent until 2030, I really don’t see them going after Mune with what his price will ultimately be.

My money is still on the Dodgers because they seem to have an endless supply of it and LA is the place to be for Japanese players. They can ditch both Freeman and Muncy contractually once Mune hits free agency.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by WhiteSox2023

6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Matt Shaw, the guy I was hoping the Sox would look into trading for this past offseason, is already having a good start to the season with his bat and hasn’t been bad in his transition to RF.

Also, one of the Cubs top prospects (Kevin Alcántara) is currently killing the ball at AAA Iowa and he plays all outfield spots.

After their recent spending splurge this past offseason, along with Shaw/Alcantara around to replace Suzuki, and Busch not being a free agent until 2030, I really don’t see them going after Mune with what his price will ultimately be.

My money is still on the Dodgers because they seem to have an endless supply of it and LA is the place to be for Japanese players. They can ditch both Freeman and Muncy contractually once Mune hits free agency.

And they have four top prospect outfielders to trade/choose from...just a matter of if they can wait two more years to add that youthful energy to their everyday lineup?

Sasaki and X outfielder would be the trade...or Sheehan instead of Roki.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by caulfield12

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

They know their stuff...definitely on prospects. This actually feels like a pretty realistic proposal Except for JR parting with much $$$.

Yeah let me stop you right there, I've seen enough.

I remember when the author was basically banned from baseball for cheating in the international market with the Braves. The Sox aren't trading Murakami.

5 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I remember when the author was basically banned from baseball for cheating in the international market with the Braves. The Sox aren't trading Murakami.

Oh man. I didn't realize it was a Coppolella piece.

22 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I remember when the author was basically banned from baseball for cheating in the international market with the Braves. The Sox aren't trading Murakami.

You are a wealth of knowledge, lol. Here is an article where he admits to what he did:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/john-coppolella-why-im-writing-for-baseball-america/

He also linked to the article below which provides the details on his banning from the MLB:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/former-braves-gm-coppolella-permanently-banned-by-mlb/

18 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Oh man. I didn't realize it was a Coppolella piece.

He’s no Frances Ford… 🤣

27 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I remember when the author was basically banned from baseball for cheating in the international market with the Braves. The Sox aren't trading Murakami.

Fine.

What are they doing, then?

Lip reported no talks of an extension yet on either side.

Stalemate.

You can't definitively say he can't/won't be traded before the deadline next year.

They're going to copy the Angels with their failed plan for retaining Ohtani and end up getting nothing back in return?

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by caulfield12

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

Fine.

What are they doing, then?

Lip reported no talks of an extension yet on either side.

Stalemate.

Dude, they can trade him after the season, or before next season’s trade deadline if they get the vibe that he is going to be out of their price range. Why do you seem to think there is a deadline to trade him that is coming soon?

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by WhiteSox2023

1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Dude, they can trade him after the season, or before next season’s deadline if they get the vibe that he is going to be out of their price range. Why do you seem to think there is a deadline to trade him coming soon?

the internal deadline of his value going down every minute once the trade deadline passes THIS season...

see the Nationals' return for Sosa versus what the Padres got back for him later from NY

it was Gore Abrams Wood Hassell Santana etc.

vs. a Michael King they didn't even know could start Thorpe Higashioka R.Vasquez etc.

two pennant races vs. just one is a massive difference to a GM

rental player vs. one it's much likelier you retain through an extension....by proving his worth to the org. via the prospect trade/iinitial investment of resources

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by caulfield12

Just now, caulfield12 said:

it was Gore Abrams Wood Hassell Santana etc.

vs. a Michael King they didn't even know could start Thorpe Higashioka R.Vasquez etc.

The team is 2 games back of first place. What you are prematurely asking for is worse than Jerry and the White Flag trade of 1997. There is literally no reason to trade Murakami until after this season at the earliest.

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The team is 2 games back of first place. What you are prematurely asking for is worse than Jerry and the White Flag trade of 1997. There is literally no reason to trade Murakami until after this season at the earliest.

Not even close.

That was a veteran team that was foundering in the face of the Indians' dynasty.

But listening to WestEddy too much has convinced you the team as currently constituted is a playoff competitive one.

This is the exact same way they ended up holding onto Luis Robert past the point of no return in terms of his trade value.

This is still a 70-75 win team with three starters and Schultz has never gone more than 84 innings in a season.

You can't possibly be suggesting they trade prospects in order to try to compete THIS year?

That's exactly how they ended up dealing Tatis/Johnson for Shields and $$$$ in 2016.

If it was a stock you bought for $50 and now is at $90-100 per share, would you cash out now for profit or risk riding it down to basically nothing like TA Giolito Jimenez Hendriks Grandal Robert Keuchel Lynn R.Lopez Kopech etc.????

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by caulfield12

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

Not even close.

That was a veteran team that was foundering in the face of the Indians' dynasty.

But listening to WestEddy too much has convinced you the team as currently constituted is a playoff competitive one.

This is the exact same way they ended up holding onto Luis Robert past the point of no return in terms of his value.

This is still a 70-75 win team with three starters and Schultz has never gone more than 84 innings in a season.

You can't possibly be suggesting they trade prospects in order to try to compete THIS year?

That's exactly how they ended up dealing Tatis/Johnson for Shields and $$$$ in 2016.

No one has convinced me of anything. Not that I have a ton of faith, but the possibility remains that Sox could potentially make the playoffs via winning the division or a WC.

You mentioned that 1.5 seasons of Murakami is worth more than 1 season of him to interested teams trying to make the postseason. Well, sure. But you have to factor in the tradeoff between selling him now with 1.5 years of control and likely missing the postseason this year versus retaining Murakami at least until the end of the season and the Sox potentially making the postseason. And perhaps Murakami is so excited to lead the team to the plays, that he is will to listen to extension talks. And perhaps Boyer explains how much money Mune brings in from endorsements and Japanese fans to the point that Jerry will splurge on Mune.

current odds to win AL Central (fg)

Tigers 42%

Guardians 25.7%

Royals 19.6%

Twins 11.4%

White Sox 1.4%

1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

No one has convinced me of anything. Not that I have a ton of faith, but the possibility remains that Sox could potentially make the playoffs via winning the division or a WC.

You mentioned that 1.5 seasons of Murakami is worth more than 1 season of him to interested teams trying to make the postseason. Well, sure. But you have to factor in the tradeoff between selling him now with 1.5 years of control and likely missing the postseason this year versus retaining Murakami at least until the end of the season and the Sox potentially making the postseason. And perhaps Murakami is so excited to lead the team to the plays, that he is will to listen to extension talks. And perhaps Boyer explains how much money Mune brings in from endorsements and Japanese fans to the point that Jerry will splurge on Mune.

Boyer hasn't officially converted on anything as of yet.

Just vague talks with the Japanese tourism bureau about trips to Chicago for shopping and to see the Cubs/Sox...both teams.

The odds facing the White Sox at the time of White Flag to win the division were in the 25-33% range vs. just 1.4%.

The prize wasn't even all that great....Foulke Howry M.Caruso and the injury prone Barcelo. Two relievers and the equivalent of Jacob Gonzalez/Meidroth/Antonacci.

It was really a salary dump of three veteran pitchers.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by caulfield12

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Boyer hasn't officially converted on anything as of yet.

Just vague talks with the Japanese tourism bureau about trips to Chicago for shopping and to see the Cubs/Sox...both teams.

The odds facing the White Sox at the time of White Flag to win the division were in the 25-33% range vs. just 1.4%.

The prize wasn't even all that great....Foulke Howry M.Caruso and the injury prone Barcelo. Two relievers and the equivalent of Jacob Gonzalez/Meidroth/Antonacci.

It was really a salary dump of three veteran pitchers.

And look at the Cease trade. The Sox could get back 2-3 good looking prospects and they could all turn into poop. There is no guarantee.

If Murakami was a free agent after this season, then your argument would have some merit. But trading him now when you have another entire year of control over him and the team could potentially make the postseason this year would literally make no sense. None. Also, what would that say to the fan base right now? Attendance would go into the shitter even worse than normal if Jerry basically lucked into a superstar and immediately traded him when the team is just 2 games out of first place.

It simply isn’t happening, whether you think it should or not. As far as trading him in the offseason or before next season’s deadline at the very latest, I am all for it if they eventually realize he has no intention of resigning here and is looking for the largest payday he can get.

If the Sox traded Mune by this season’s deadline, it would be a more memorable negative moment in Sox history than the White Flag Trade and Jerry would get so much s%*# for it he would probably be forced to sell to Ishbia before 2029.

Edited 50 minutes ago50 min by WhiteSox2023

3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

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11 hours ago · 1. White Sox trade Munetaka Murakami and cash considerations to the Diamondbacks for Ryan Waldschmidt & David Hagaman. What? How can you trade...

sorry not a subscriber so the article gets cut off, but the gist of the trade is there

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/dbacks

#1 prospect outfielder and #8 pitcher

Cash considerations FROM the Sox/JR?

your what hurts, Wimpy?

LOL, great thread title

1 minute ago, ron883 said:

LOL, great thread title

Could have also been “The Empire Strikes Back” with the whole Jedi versus Sith gimmick. 🤣