israel4ever Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 :fthecubs While driving home yesterday, Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000, with Mac, Jurko and Harry "first reported" that there is talk that the A-Rod deal to Boston could happen by the end of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Has anyone seen the movie Groundhog day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 Well it could go hand in hand with what "Joey Cora" says. He also reported that its between the Cubs and Giants for Maddux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Has anyone seen the movie Groundhog day? I got you babe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 BING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Will it ever end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Oh woas me, woas me. ARod might leave Arlington. Woas me. I will never be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Did you mean "woe is me"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 yea I did but I was being a lazy typer. So, woas me, woas me, I can't type. Â Â Seriously, I just wish they would go on with baseball and quit talking about this stupid trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 The Rangers trading Alex Rodriguez? When did that rumor pop up? :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Red Sox Trade  Well lets just say how ridiculous this is.  The Dodgers completely getting ripped off:  Miller, Perez, Mota for Manny Ramirez, (have to wonder why they would want Ramirez when they could get Maggs for this price, save $$$ and not have his albatross contract hanging over their head. Even worse is the fact LA could of just taken him off waivers for free and not have to give up anything.  I doubt that this has any semblence of truth, the White Sox getting Damon and Williamson, would need to be supplemented by some sort of prospect, or other cheap player.  If you notice Boston gets to keep almost every good player in the deal  Trade Williamson, keep the cheaper Mota.  Trade Damon, keep Beltran  Trade Manny, keep Maggs  Trade Kapler, get Jenkins.  Rangers get the second best trade.  Milwaukee third best.  And the lowly Dodgers and White Sox, the only way this trade can be facilitated get completely ripped off.  Sorry, but I would rather keep Maggs and take our chances with what we have.  I dont need nor want other teams castoffs.  SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 :fthecubs While driving home yesterday, Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000, with Mac, Jurko and Harry "first reported" that there is talk that the A-Rod deal to Boston could happen by the end of the week. Kinda like Otis "first reported" it a little over 2 months ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Red Sox Trade Well lets just say how ridiculous this is.  The Dodgers completely getting ripped off:  Miller, Perez, Mota for Manny Ramirez, (have to wonder why they would want Ramirez when they could get Maggs for this price, save $$$ and not have his albatross contract hanging over their head. Even worse is the fact LA could of just taken him off waivers for free and not have to give up anything.  I doubt that this has any semblence of truth, the White Sox getting Damon and Williamson, would need to be supplemented by some sort of prospect, or other cheap player.  If you notice Boston gets to keep almost every good player in the deal  Trade Williamson, keep the cheaper Mota.  Trade Damon, keep Beltran  Trade Manny, keep Maggs  Trade Kapler, get Jenkins.  Rangers get the second best trade.  Milwaukee third best.  And the lowly Dodgers and White Sox, the only way this trade can be facilitated get completely ripped off.  Sorry, but I would rather keep Maggs and take our chances with what we have.  I dont need nor want other teams castoffs.  SB God I hope thats not the trade. I would not like the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 Red Sox Trade Well lets just say how ridiculous this is.  The Dodgers completely getting ripped off:  Miller, Perez, Mota for Manny Ramirez, (have to wonder why they would want Ramirez when they could get Maggs for this price, save $$$ and not have his albatross contract hanging over their head. Even worse is the fact LA could of just taken him off waivers for free and not have to give up anything.  I doubt that this has any semblence of truth, the White Sox getting Damon and Williamson, would need to be supplemented by some sort of prospect, or other cheap player.  If you notice Boston gets to keep almost every good player in the deal  Trade Williamson, keep the cheaper Mota.  Trade Damon, keep Beltran  Trade Manny, keep Maggs  Trade Kapler, get Jenkins.  Rangers get the second best trade.  Milwaukee third best.  And the lowly Dodgers and White Sox, the only way this trade can be facilitated get completely ripped off.  Sorry, but I would rather keep Maggs and take our chances with what we have.  I dont need nor want other teams castoffs.  SB Whatever the details of the trade are...why would you want to keep Magglio when you know he won't re-sign with the Sox next year?  We might as well get something for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Because you can keep Maggs and have much better options. Â 1) See if the Sox are in the race come the All-Star game, if they are keep Maggs and try and go to the playoffs, and perhaps sign him next offseason, or get draft picks. Â 2) If they are not in the playoff picture, trade Maggs for prospects to the highest bidder, come the All Star break teams who are in playoff contention would love to place Maggs in the middle of their lineup. Look at what it cost us to add Everett, and imagine what we can get for Maggs... Â 3) Beause Damon and Williamson are throw aways, and if we are trading Maggs, a player who even some Boston fans percieve as better than Manny, should we not be getting Miller, Mota, Perez, etc... That is what Boston is getting for Manny who is paid more, and is unwanted. Maggs is paid less, his contract will not handcuff most teams, and is not a clubhouse cancer like Ramirez. Â 4) The option of being $5mil over budget is not so horrendous that a good owner should not be able to overcome it. If JR is as good a businessman as he thinks he is, then he will not make a terrible mistake and sell low. You hold on to Maggs, and his value will get more and more as the All Star break approaches. What if Sheff gets hurt, what if JD Drew fails miserably, and so and so forth. Now teams are knocking at the Sox's door and saying "We need Maggs". Â SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Now THAT is Fantasy Baseball! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Red Sox Trade Well lets just say how ridiculous this is.  The Dodgers completely getting ripped off:  Miller, Perez, Mota for Manny Ramirez, (have to wonder why they would want Ramirez when they could get Maggs for this price, save $$$ and not have his albatross contract hanging over their head. Even worse is the fact LA could of just taken him off waivers for free and not have to give up anything.  I doubt that this has any semblence of truth, the White Sox getting Damon and Williamson, would need to be supplemented by some sort of prospect, or other cheap player.  If you notice Boston gets to keep almost every good player in the deal  Trade Williamson, keep the cheaper Mota.  Trade Damon, keep Beltran  Trade Manny, keep Maggs  Trade Kapler, get Jenkins.  Rangers get the second best trade.  Milwaukee third best.  And the lowly Dodgers and White Sox, the only way this trade can be facilitated get completely ripped off.  Sorry, but I would rather keep Maggs and take our chances with what we have.  I dont need nor want other teams castoffs.  SB Tell me, do you think KW would take just those two, Damon and Williamson, for Maggs, the franchise player? Methinks no.  He'd probably try to unload Konerko and/or Koch and then either take Nomar, Nixon, and Williamson, or Nomar, Damon, and Williamson.  And honestly, do you think Milwaukee would accept Gabe Kapler and prospects for Geoff Jenkins, even with his salary? I know they could easily get more for him at the All-Star break. To get Jenkins from Milwaukee, it would probably take Nixon, which would also mean that they don't get Carlos Beltran, and if they don't get Carlos Beltran, they wouldn't trade away Johnny Damon, which leaves Magglio Ordonez for Scott Williamson. If 1 thing in this person's proposed deal goes wrong, the whole deal is toast. There are too many question marks in the deal to get it done, and too many things have to go right and in huge favor of the Red Sox for everything to work out. And as it was mentioned before, why would LA want Ramirez's fat ass contract when they could just get Maggs while paying him less and having the choice as to whether they want to keep him or not?  Just a Red Sox fan's wet dream. That kind of deal may work in video games, but it doesn't work in real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 lol  Dont shoot the messenger, I am just posting what Ive read about the new proposed A-Rod deal.  Seems that the deal becomes more and more far fetched as time passes.  SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 lol Dont shoot the messenger, I am just posting what Ive read about the new proposed A-Rod deal.  Seems that the deal becomes more and more far fetched as time passes.  SB Ahh, I was shooting the person who wrote the article, not the messenger.  Unless you wrote the article too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 If I wrote that article I would hope that I was shot immediately. Â The day I root for any team out of New England is the day that ill be in the fetal position thinking that I too was cursed over a trade that happened 90 years ago. Â Â SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 If I wrote that article I would hope that I was shot immediately. The day I root for any team out of New England is the day that ill be in the fetal position thinking that I too was cursed over a trade that happened 90 years ago.   SB Atleast we got that cleared that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 The day I root for any team out of New England is the day that ill be in the fetal position thinking that I too was cursed over a trade that happened 90 years ago. How do we arrange for the Bears to suffer from the same curse the Patriots ( ) have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 Because you can keep Maggs and have much better options. 1) See if the Sox are in the race come the All-Star game, if they are keep Maggs and try and go to the playoffs, and perhaps sign him next offseason, or get draft picks.  2) If they are not in the playoff picture, trade Maggs for prospects to the highest bidder, come the All Star break teams who are in playoff contention would love to place Maggs in the middle of their lineup. Look at what it cost us to add Everett, and imagine what we can get for Maggs...  3) Beause Damon and Williamson are throw aways, and if we are trading Maggs, a player who even some Boston fans percieve as better than Manny, should we not be getting Miller, Mota, Perez, etc... That is what Boston is getting for Manny who is paid more, and is unwanted. Maggs is paid less, his contract will not handcuff most teams, and is not a clubhouse cancer like Ramirez.  4) The option of being $5mil over budget is not so horrendous that a good owner should not be able to overcome it. If JR is as good a businessman as he thinks he is, then he will not make a terrible mistake and sell low. You hold on to Maggs, and his value will get more and more as the All Star break approaches. What if Sheff gets hurt, what if JD Drew fails miserably, and so and so forth. Now teams are knocking at the Sox's door and saying "We need Maggs".  SB I'd trade Maggs to Boston for the players mentioned AND nomar, then I'd trade Nomar to LA for the players/prospects that you mentioned!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Red Sox Trade Well lets just say how ridiculous this is.  The Dodgers completely getting ripped off:  Miller, Perez, Mota for Manny Ramirez, (have to wonder why they would want Ramirez when they could get Maggs for this price, save $$$ and not have his albatross contract hanging over their head. Even worse is the fact LA could of just taken him off waivers for free and not have to give up anything.  I doubt that this has any semblence of truth, the White Sox getting Damon and Williamson, would need to be supplemented by some sort of prospect, or other cheap player.  If you notice Boston gets to keep almost every good player in the deal  Trade Williamson, keep the cheaper Mota.  Trade Damon, keep Beltran  Trade Manny, keep Maggs  Trade Kapler, get Jenkins.  Rangers get the second best trade.  Milwaukee third best.  And the lowly Dodgers and White Sox, the only way this trade can be facilitated get completely ripped off.  Sorry, but I would rather keep Maggs and take our chances with what we have.  I dont need nor want other teams castoffs.  SB Sad thing is I could see KW jumping all over this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 :fthecubs While driving home yesterday, Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000, with Mac, Jurko and Harry "first reported" that there is talk that the A-Rod deal to Boston could happen by the end of the week. I guess beating the dead horse became fun again for Henry and Hicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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